Let's face it - people like sex! Most people are able to handle the responsibility of balancing the pleasure with a healthy amount of risk prevention. However, there is a certain margin of fools who think only of their immediate gratification and don't think (or don't care) about the possibility of conceiving a child. In my opinion, most of this group is lacking in intelligence and foresight. I also believe that, for the most part, intelligence is hereditary. If those who are stupid enough to conceive irresponsibly wish to have abortions, I consider this a boost in the nation's collective IQ.

The most widely touted argument against abortion is that anyone can choose adoption. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that this is universally true - even though it really isn't. Does anyone take into account the mentality of the unwise and irresponsible? The same foolish sentimentality and lack of foresight that caused an unplanned pregnancy often stands firmly in the way of a decision to adopt. Do you know how many adoptions fall through because some emotional, highly hormonal teenage girl takes one look at her baby and decides "That's MINE and I want it. Who cares that I have no money, no education, no partner, no resources of any kind? I love it and that's all that matters. Why should THEY get my baby that I made and carried? I WANT IT!"

It's not only easy, but natural and instinctive for a mother to feel attachment to a tiny little bundle of sweet helplessness. Those instant gratification junkies who cared only for the pleasure of sex to start with aren't going to make the agonizing sacrifice that every pro-lifer says is the magic solution to the need for abortion. They're going to do what feels good and that's to take the snuggly little sweetheart home, love all over it, and shrug off the consequences and future challenges. They won't think about the future or what's best for the baby. "It's best for the baby to be with its MOTHER," they'll argue and what heartless wretch would think to snatch a mother and child apart just because she's POOR?

Well, if it all faded into the sunset at that, I'd shut up and wish them well. However, I have personally seen the result of impulsive mothers who wanted a baby without thinking about the future. They resent the heck out of the toddlers and children who "ruined their lives" once they were no longer precious and helpless. This usually leads to verbal abuse, neglect, deprivation, and sometimes even tragic violence. By the time it comes to this, there is no longer an endless line of childless couples clamoring to be a part of that priceless little life.

It's my conclusion that the pro-life movement seeks (inadvertently for the most part) to create far more misery than it would prevent. What is a few seconds of unconscious pain compared to a lifetime of depression, poverty, abuse, and rejection? Therefore, I contend that the freedom to abort on demand along with the ability to actually do so INCREASES the quality of life for everyone in the world. If you're opposed to abortion on religious grounds, what on earth could be so awful about going directly to heaven (without ever having to risk eternal damnation by enduring the temptation of life) and spending eternity with God?

Oct 27, 2009 -- 7:39AM, Bei1052 wrote:

Not every "wanted" child is loved and not every "unwanted" child is unloved. Given the fact that most "unwanted" children are aborted, I think it'd be safe to say that the majority of abuse is done on "wanted" children ;). Furthermore, considering about half of all pregnancies in the U.S. are unintended, following the train of thought displayed in the above post, the abortion rate should be at least double of what it is now, if not higher, and that would be good for everybody.

Also your last sentence is incredibly callous. And I'm not even religious.

OK, this post is at least interesting in all its magnificent wrongness, so I'll play along. Where are you getting these numbers? "Most unwanted children are aborted." Says who? "About half of all pregnancies in the U.S. are unintended." Color me skeptical.

Finally, if you're not even religious then what's your motivation? Take this opportunity to explain to me why you're trolling this forum and attacking almost every pro-choice poster with your suspicious statistics and huffy demands that they prove every word they say. I'm guessing from your picture that you are a man, which makes me wonder if you have any right to be telling women what they should be doing with their bodies and whatever may happen to be inside them. A little "uterus envy" perhaps? If you have NO experience with the childbearing process, why should anybody take you seriously?

You score a point for the accuracy of your first statistic. I wasn't terribly skeptical about that one. I believe my exact words were "says who," so thank you for providing a reliable source. The second claim will be a bit harder to prove. "If you're unwanted, you're either given up for adoption or aborted." This is simply not true. I personally know two women who have children they totally did not want due to pressure from others not to abort or adopt. Needless to say, these are not happy women and children.

I think we've gotten off to a poor start and it's largely my own fault. I apologize for my earlier attitude toward you. I misjudged you. You appear to be sincere in your beliefs instead of just looking for someone to bicker with. I was condescending and even a little rude, so I hope you can forgive me so that we can continue with a constructive exchange of ideas. I think we clashed because, like you, I am very passionate about my opinions and (I like to think) educated enough to back them up with some sound logic. I believe wholeheartedly in the right of every woman to dictate what goes on inside her own body.

You compared abortion with your ability to inflict harm on others using your own body. Would I try to stop you if you did so? Well, that depends. If you beat the crap out of a burglar who came into your house to steal things, I'd have to condone that decision. To a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant, a fetus is an intruder. Whether or not it chose to be there is immaterial. It is a parasitic organism dependent solely on her bodily resources and I don't think women should be forced to share their bodies as a "consequence" of having sex. Ever since prehistoric women discovered that drinking this tea or eating those seeds caused a miscarriage, women have been making informed decisions whether to abort or carry a child. Oddly enough, it's only recently become a moral and/or legal issue. That's probably due to the fact that since it's become more foolproof and less risky, more women are choosing not to be mothers or brood mares for the infertile. (22% your website said. Wow! I was a little shocked by that number.)

I really do admire your determination to protect and preserve innocent life, but you're in way over your head here. You don't have to be a woman to have an opinion about the legality of abortion, but I think you do for your opinion to have any weight in the final outcome of the matter. As much as you may feel compassion for the unborn, your freedom and body are not at stake. In fact, taking away the women's power to choose whether or not they'll bear the children they conceive gives men more power to control women. Most women who go through with a pregnancy decide NOT to adopt because of the strong maternal instinct of the human female. (There is a claim of 70% stated on this site - adoptionoption.org.nz/adoption/Sue_story... but that number may or may not be accurate.) Therefore, with a child to raise, she is forced (or at least STRONGLY urged) by circumstance to depend on the help of the man who impregnated her. Having taken the choice away from the mother, the father still gets to keep his options open as to whether he will bestow or withhold his assistance.

I made another thread acknowledging the severity of abortion. Again, I apologize for having been so abrasive toward you. You're very outspoken and that can annoy and even intimidate someone who feels strongly about their position. I look forward to butting heads with you (more civilly, of course) in the future. Keep fighting the good fight!

*Beavis and Butthead giggle* huh huh heh... you said "get off"