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4 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2009 - 7:56PM
#341
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Harassing you with his malfeasance, Zef? Did it ever occur to you that that is how pregnant women must feel when they have to run a gauntlet of you lily-livered jerks while she is trying to either obtain prenatal care or an abortion at a family planning clinic? Or maybe a nonpregnant woman just trying to get a birth control prescription or a pap smear or a mammogram?
How many pregnancies are your little friends responsible for because women were too frightened to pass by your lines to get medical care? How many deaths due to cervical cancer or breast cancer?
Yeah, you have the right to free speech, boyo. But so do we. And if our voices are stronger, better informed, and more numerous than yours, oh, well.
And all the while, you do nothing for the already born children in the world. Must feel good, to feel like you are making a 'difference' without actually having to do a damn thing.
I have never been to an abortion or family planning clinic. Do you know how many soldiers died because women are too narcicistic to oppose the draft? Help already born children so that some self-rightious know-it-all can call me a pedophile. I'm not that stupid. I wouldn't touch already born children with a ten foot pole. Just looking at them is enough to get treated with disdain by you self-rightious pompous do-gooders.
Back when there actually WAS a draft, women spoke out, marched, and protested in equal numbers with their brothers. We love our sons as much as we love our daughters. Your concern for already born children is just touching. Nobody is asking you to have sex with them, you idiot. If you aren't even man enough to become a big brother or mentor a kid after school, you have NO right 'demanding' that women carry to term more children who have no models in their lives.
First amendment fan since 1793.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2009 - 8:23PM
#342
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Your grasp of the English language is completely underwhelming. A person cannot chose something for him/herself if it is never an option.
A man cannot get pregnant... that "A" is looking more and more like a delusion... Thus he CANNOT choose abortion for himself.
He can choose not to participate. But he can NEVER EVER HAVE an abortion, so it is not a choice for himself.
It is not malfeasance or a violation of your freedom of speech rights to say that you have no say in who gets an abortion and who does not. You have the right to SPEAK about who you think should or should not... but you do not get to make that choice for anyone else. PERIOD. You know good and well that "say" in this conversation is "choice" and that by saying you have no "say" everyone means you have no VOICE, for anyone but yourself.
Say we are standing outside an ice-cream store and I say "I choose vanilla ice-cream". We walk into the ice-cream parlor. And the soda-jerk says "sorry but we are out of vanilla ice -cream" I wasn't prevented from "choosing" vanilla ice-cream because that is impossble because choice is a mental process. I was prevented from obtaining the ice-cream. Only obtaining or acting on a choice can be prevented. Likewise say we are standing outside of an abortion clinic and I say "I choose to have an abortion". So we walk into the abortion clinic and I say "I want an abortion". The abortionists responds with "sorry but I cannot give you an abortion you are not pregnant, also you are a man and never will be pregnant". The abortionist did not prevent me from choosing an abortion because choice is a mental process, and mental processes cannot be controlled. My physiology though prevented me from acting on my choice. Likewise a woman that is pregnant decides to have an abortion. She chooses to get an abortion. She looks through the phone book and can't find a facility she calls information but to no avail. She simply cannot find anyone anywhere to abort her child. She was not prevented from choosing abortion, that is impossible because choice is a mental process. She was however prevented from acting upon or obtaining her choice. And "say" does not mean "choice" and never did. "Say" does mean "speak" and always has.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2009 - 8:34PM
#343
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Harassing you with his malfeasance, Zef? Did it ever occur to you that that is how pregnant women must feel when they have to run a gauntlet of you lily-livered jerks while she is trying to either obtain prenatal care or an abortion at a family planning clinic? Or maybe a nonpregnant woman just trying to get a birth control prescription or a pap smear or a mammogram?
How many pregnancies are your little friends responsible for because women were too frightened to pass by your lines to get medical care? How many deaths due to cervical cancer or breast cancer?
Yeah, you have the right to free speech, boyo. But so do we. And if our voices are stronger, better informed, and more numerous than yours, oh, well.
And all the while, you do nothing for the already born children in the world. Must feel good, to feel like you are making a 'difference' without actually having to do a damn thing.
I have never been to an abortion or family planning clinic. Do you know how many soldiers died because women are too narcicistic to oppose the draft? Help already born children so that some self-rightious know-it-all can call me a pedophile. I'm not that stupid. I wouldn't touch already born children with a ten foot pole. Just looking at them is enough to get treated with disdain by you self-rightious pompous do-gooders.
Back when there actually WAS a draft, women spoke out, marched, and protested in equal numbers with their brothers. We love our sons as much as we love our daughters.
Your concern for already born children is just touching. Nobody is asking you to have sex with them, you idiot. If you aren't even man enough to become a big brother or mentor a kid after school, you have NO right 'demanding' that women carry to term more children who have no models in their lives.
Sure I have the right to make demands about you, and you have the right to ignore those demands. Just like you have the right to make demands about me and I have the government forcing me to some warzone to get blown to bits. I guess thats what you mean by "women's rights".
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4 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2009 - 9:33PM
#344
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I hate (not really) to burst your bubble, but men cannot get pregnant. A male homo sapien cannot choose an abortion because it is not possible for him to get pregnant. That is a biological fact.
I explained what that meant after you asked me the first time. ...
It does not matter what your vain attempt at an explanation was it is a fact that men cannot choose abortion. They can't get pregnant. Only women can choose to have an abortion.
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2009 - 9:42PM
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Sure I have the right to make demands about you,......
No, you do not. Read the Constitution.
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2009 - 11:16PM
#346
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Your concern for already born children is just touching. Nobody is asking you to have sex with them, you idiot. If you aren't even man enough to become a big brother or mentor a kid after school, you have NO right 'demanding' that women carry to term more children who have no models in their lives.
Well, this is good to know since I've stated before that I do the whole BB thing at least once a month (Usually. Depending on how much time I have). Also, does no one here know the difference between positive and negative rights? The Constitution doesn't dictate what rights you have (Positive rights), but rather rights you cannot have taken away from you (Negative rights). Trying to insert positive rights into the Constitution is asinine. I'm not akin to becoming like the EU, where their Constitution goes on forever because it tries to list every positive right without actually saying anything.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 19, 2009 - 11:53PM
#347
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Back when there actually WAS a draft, women spoke out, marched, and protested in equal numbers with their brothers. We love our sons as much as we love our daughters.
I was at those protests. I have a scar from the tear gas canister that hit me. I threw it back. There were about as many women there as there were men.
So far someone has proven they do not know math, biology, and now history. Is there anything else?
I love you son. Oh yeah, what about the nine months while i was in my mothers womb that you left me to the wolves? No thanks "dad".
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4 years ago ::
Oct 20, 2009 - 12:32AM
#348
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Wish I had a whistle that you all could hear, I would blow it about now - well actually a while ago. This is the abortion debate board - not the draft debate board, so all the posts about the draft have been removed. Secondly, I get the feeling from reading the last post that some people are under the impression that PCers encourage all women who are pregnant to abort. That is totally untrue. As I understand it, pro-choice is just that - a choice. A pregnant woman can choose to deliver, choose adoption, or choose abortion. Someone better at statistics than I am should post the % of pregnant women who choose abortion. I doubt it is very high. Justme333
Beliefnet Community Host
Abortion Debate Board
"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers
"Give to those who ask, and don't turn away from those who want to borrow." Matthew 5:42
"Charity is no substitute for justice withheld." St. Augustine
"Your love for God is only as great as the love you have for the person you love least." Dorothy Day
"If you want peace, work for justice." Pope Paul VI
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4 years ago ::
Oct 20, 2009 - 12:35AM
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I was at those protests. I have a scar from the tear gas canister that hit me. I threw it back. There were about as many women there as there were men.
So far someone has proven they do not know math, biology, and now history. Is there anything else?
I love you son. Oh yeah, what about the nine months while i was in my mothers womb that you left me to the wolves? No thanks "dad".
It seems that you are losing it. What you just said had nothing to with anything anyone said and makes no sense at all. It's even less coherent than usual for you. Something wrong?
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 20, 2009 - 1:07AM
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Wish I had a whistle that you all could hear, I would blow it about now - well actually a while ago. This is the abortion debate board - not the draft debate board, so all the posts about the draft have been removed.
Secondly, I get the feeling from reading the last post that some people are under the impression that PCers encourage all women who are pregnant to abort. That is totally untrue. As I understand it, pro-choice is just that - a choice. A pregnant woman can choose to deliver, choose adoption, or choose abortion. Someone better at statistics than I am should post the % of pregnant women who choose abortion. I doubt it is very high.
Justme333
Beliefnet Community Host
Abortion Debate Board
Hooray for PC states! More of their pregnancies end in abortion than do states which tilt PL. I guess it's not surprising that the states with the highest abortion rates also have the greatest percentage of their pregnancies end in abortion. That's to be expected.
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