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4 years ago  ::  May 01, 2009 - 7:01AM #1
Laura78
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I don't know if you watched the press conference last night, but it seemed to be that Obama basically said forget FOCA, let's work on some abortion reduction legislation where we can find common ground. I think this change is partly due to Jim Wallis of Sojourners and Catholics for the Common Good efffort to try and engage the administration and urging all to finding a more nuanced/middle of the road compromise.




For more info check out: Real Abortion Solutions at www.realabortionsolutions.org/




Here is the transcript:




www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/30/polit...

 




Q: Thank you, Mr. President. In a couple of weeks you're going to be giving the commencement at Notre Dame and, as you know, this has caused a lot of controversy among Catholics who are opposed to your position on abortion. As a candidate you vowed that one of the very first things you wanted to do was sign the freedom of choice act, which, as you know, would eliminate federal, state, and local restrictions on abortion. And at one point in the campaign when asked about abortion and life, you said that it was "above my pay grade." Now that you've been President for a hundred days, obviously your pay grade is a little higher than when you were a senator -- (laughter) -- do you still hope that Congress quickly sends you the freedom of choice act so you can sign it?

THE PRESIDENT: You know, my view on abortion I think has been very consistent. I think abortion is a moral issue and an ethical issue. I think that those who are pro-choice make a mistake when they -- if they suggest -- and I don't want to create straw men here, but I think there are some who suggest that this is simply an issue about women's freedom and that there's no other considerations. I think, look, this is an issue that people have to wrestle with, and families and individual women have to wrestle with.

The reason I'm pro-choice is because I don't think women take that position casually. I think that they struggle with these decisions each and every day, and I think they are in a better position to make these decision ultimately than members of Congress or a President of the United States -- in consultation with their families, with their doctors, with their clergy. So that's been my consistent position.

The other thing that I said consistently during the campaign is I would like to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies that result in women feeling compelled to get an abortion or at least considering getting an abortion, particularly if we can reduce the number of teen pregnancies, which has started to spike up again. And so I've got a task force within the Domestic Policy Council in the West Wing of the White House that is working with groups both in the pro-choice camp and in the pro-life camp to see if we can arrive at some consensus on that.

Now, the freedom of choice act is not my highest legislative priority. I believe that women should have the right to choose, but I think that the most important thing we can do to tamp down some of the anger surrounding this issue is to focus on those areas that we can agree on. And that's where I'm going to focus.


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4 years ago  ::  May 01, 2009 - 8:16AM #2
newsjunkie
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Hi Laura,


Thanks for posting that transcript. I feel as Obama does about choice and about how to reduce abortions. Now he has his first opportunity to make an appointment to the Supreme Court. I hope the abortion issue doesn't hamper getting the best justice possible on the SC.


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4 years ago  ::  May 01, 2009 - 12:55PM #3
Marysara722
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In seeing that Newsjunkie made reference to SCOTUS, some might not have heard
the latest news.


Justice David Souter just announced his retirement from the High Court.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_scotus_souter_ret...--


Which means that Obama will now be looking into a replacement for Souter.


Thanks NJ.
And thanks Laura for the new thread.


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4 years ago  ::  May 02, 2009 - 10:43PM #4
Laura78
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US Cardinal Backs Pregnant Women Support Act


The chairman of the U.S. bishops' Committee on Pro-Life Activities is appealing to congressmen to back a bill that will provide immediate support for pregnant women and their families. Cardinal Justin Rigali stated this in a letter to all U.S. representatives, urging them to support and co-sponsor the Pregnant Women Support Act, reintroduced into the House on Wednesday by Congressman Lincoln Davis. The letter, sent Friday, noted that "in a society where disagreements on abortions and the rights of the unborn child seem persistent and intractable, there are some statements that almost everyone can endorse." The cardinal continued: "First, the fact that over a million abortions take place every year in this country is a tragedy, and we should at least take steps to reduce abortions. "Second, no woman should ever have to undergo an abortion because she feels she has no other choice, or because alternatives were unavailable or not made known to her. "An abortion performed under such social and economic duress meets no one's standard for 'freedom of choice.'"


 


This is part of the new "Abortion reduction" agenda that Obama was talking about.


More here: www.catholicsinalliance.org/node/20681



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4 years ago  ::  May 03, 2009 - 12:12AM #5
mountain_man
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May 2, 2009 -- 10:43PM, Laura78 wrote:

US Cardinal Backs Pregnant Women Support Act


That's great, a bunch of men that will never have kids telling others what they should do. These cardinals need to mind their own business.

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4 years ago  ::  May 03, 2009 - 7:34AM #6
Tmarie64
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What the stupid celibates forget is that not ALL women do it because they "feel they have no other" choice.


I can't take ANY thing any chief in the church says seriously UNTIL child rapists are prosecuted. They put their little boys club above the law, so they have no right to tell ME what is moral or right for me.


MM, they won't have children that they ADMIT to.  But I'll wager that there's more than fatherless child running around whose daddy is a "celibate", and many whose mommy (or birth mother) was an altar server...  

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4 years ago  ::  May 03, 2009 - 1:23PM #7
Laura78
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Well, but we can all agree on the part that we don't want women getting an abortion because they feel they don't have a choice, right? Some might choose otherwise if they knew they would have support. This is what the Pregnant Women Support Acts says: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnant_Women_Sup...

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4 years ago  ::  May 03, 2009 - 1:39PM #8
karbie
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How nice. That model of sanctity and "protector"...or was that "Predator" is going to make sure that "pregnant women" are supported during their pregnancies so they can know there are other choices than abortion. My personal favorite is still birth control--oh, that's right! That isn't common ground because the Church still opposes birth control.


The best way to prevent abortions is birth control being available at a reasonable price or even free if you qualify.  My grandparents lost their farm during the 1930's and had to go on County Aid just to be able to feed their children. Part of that package included birth control because the County didn't want any new mouths to feed. Grandma said that while it was embarassing, it was also a huge relief because they couldn't afford it. It was just one of the conditions and anything was better than literally starving.


It's funny that abortions were at their lowest during President Clinton's terms in office and rose dramatically during President Bush's terms when he was so against it. Perhaps it was because schools lost their Federal funding if they taught anything besides abstinence to our kids. If there ever was a recipe for unplanned pregnancies, not making sure our kids have the information to protect themselves ranks right up there.


I'm glad that President Obama is seeking a middle ground instead of trying to legislate one way or the other.With so many people losing their insurance, their jobs, and their homes right now, this isn't a climate where overturning Roe vs Wade is a good idea. If they are going to go after any kind of bastards, the ones who destroyed our economy to become wealthier should be the focus instead.

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'When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
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4 years ago  ::  May 03, 2009 - 1:44PM #9
mountain_man
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May 3, 2009 -- 1:23PM, Laura78 wrote:


Well, but we can all agree on the part that we don't want women getting an abortion because they feel they don't have a choice, right?



Why a woman gets an abortion is no one's business.


Some might choose otherwise if they knew they would have support. This is what the Pregnant Women Support Acts says:....



I do not care what the propaganda from the catholic church has to say. What that "act" needs to include is free birth control for anyone that wants it. THAT will reduce the number of abortions far more than anything in that "act".

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I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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4 years ago  ::  May 03, 2009 - 5:16PM #10
Marysara722
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May 3, 2009 -- 7:34AM, Tmarie64 wrote:

What the stupid celibates forget is that not ALL women do it
because they "feel they have no other" choice.


I can't take ANY thing any chief in the church says seriously UNTIL child rapists are prosecuted.
They put their little boys club above the law, so they have no right to tell ME what
is moral or right for me.


MM, they won't have children that they ADMIT to.  But I'll wager that there's more than
fatherless child running around whose daddy is a "celibate", and many whose mommy
(or birth mother) was an altar server...



What young girl "altar servers"? ---Some of "those" mommies from back in the days before
there were "girl" altar servers,  they were devote (and devotly scared) married Catholic
women
who went to their local "priest" for counsel!
Only to wind up in an affair with their "celibate" priest.
Just ask my husband's uncle when his local "celibate" priest ruined his sacred Catholic
blessed marriage.
To this very day (for the past 50yrs) he still wonders if he youngest child is his
or the "celibate" priest's child.
The man has never been the same since and has only stepped foot inside a church
for his own mother's funeral service.


So the hierarchy cannot afford to dictate to or make rules for anybody, not with their
very vast checkered past and past ill-will deeds.  (And yes, it doesn't apply to ALL but
it applies nonetheless.)


 


 


 

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