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4 years ago  ::  Feb 20, 2009 - 7:25PM #1
toki66
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However, because I am Pro-Life, I think it is sad the abortion debate never talks about the third option people have for unwanted pregnancy. People only talk about aborting a pregnancy or raising an unwanted child. What about adoption? These women who do not want their children can give them to a deserving family who very much “wants” them.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 20, 2009 - 7:59PM #2
lAuR1987
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Unfortunately, though thousands of children remain unadopted, especially minority, unhealthy or older children. I think it is good to discuss the topic of adoption; policies changes that can make it easier for people to adopt American born children,etc.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 7:22AM #3
JRT
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You said "I can see both sides". In my observation of the debate that would make you pro-choice because almost all of them are also pro-life in that they want to make abortion rare. I do not see that sort of attitude from the pro-life crowd. They seek an absolute ban.

However, you do bring up a good point in adoption. In recent decades there seem to have been many legal safeguards put in place that have made it extremely difficult and very time consuming to adopt a native-born child. A woman considering adoption should be fully informed (not condemned) and adoption should be an option.
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 21, 2009 - 1:51PM #4
divalicious
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We, (meaning we humans) have to get past our differences, and come to understand some common truths about what it is to be alive on this planet. We, all of us, men and women, have to come to an understanding "of choice" as a guiding principle of walking a spiritual path.
While my path walking, and the choices that guide my way, may differ from yours... I am alive to make them. That is a spiritual concept that is hard for many to grasp.

I am pro- choice. I would never be in favor of limiting the rights of women to control something as basic as reproductive destiny. Men simply don't understand, because their biology doesn't require the same decision making process. I want someone's opinion. How do you feel, in either camp, pro life OR pro choice- how do you feel it affects your spiritual destiny to demand a woman carry a child they don't want, or can't want, to term?

I want a serious answer. Not a bible answer. How can any person think they're an evolving spirit, when they are forceing a path onto another soul?
Mind you, not just one soul. How is that an evolved position to take?

To force motherhood on the unwilling is an act of violence. Forcing motherhood on an unwilling woman, on her unwilling soul, has deep karma attached to it... I want to know what you think? These are my opinions. I don't expect all of us to agree. I only hope we can transverse the retoric that clouds this heedy issue. With respect, Divalicious
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2009 - 11:19AM #5
Tmarie64
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Feb 20, 2009 -- 7:25PM, toki66 wrote:

However, because I am Pro-Life, I think it is sad the abortion debate never talks about the third option people have for unwanted pregnancy. People only talk about aborting a pregnancy or raising an unwanted child. What about adoption? These women who do not want their children can give them to a deserving family who very much “wants” them.



So... You think the crack addicted prostitute should consider carrying a pregnancy to term?  What do you think are the odds that a crack addicted black or hispanic child would be adopted?


Are you aware that MOST people who want to adopt do not want children "of color" or children that are not "perfect"?  Meaning... they want HEALTHY WHITE babies.


This is just one reason why adoption is not always an option.  There are not enough people who WANT "flawed" babies.

James Thurber - "It is better to know some of the questions than all of the answers."
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2009 - 11:39AM #6
Isaiah4110
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Is aborting a pregnancy ending a life? Yes.do not commit murder,one of the ten commandments.Jesus said if you break one of the the commandments you break them all.God told Jeremiah,"I knew you before I formed you in your mothers womb".God also said in Jereimiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you declares the Lord.Plans to prosper you,and not to harm you.Plans to give you hope and a future.Numbers 23:19 God is not a man that He should lie,nor a son of man that He should repent,has He said,and will He not do it,or has He spoken,and will He not make it good.As one who was adopted I can say adoption is a good option.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2009 - 3:13PM #7
Sailorlal79
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The 10 commandments appear to be fairly bendable- why else would god command that the Hewbrews slaughter the Cannanites?

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2009 - 9:13PM #8
faith713
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Feb 28, 2009 -- 3:13PM, Sailorlal79 wrote:


The 10 commandments appear to be fairly bendable- why else would god command that the Hewbrews slaughter the Cannanites?




That is not an excuse for abortion. God judged the Cannanites to be exceedingly evil. Humans are incapable of making divine judgments as to who should live or die. 

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."--John14:6

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.-- John 3:16

"We love Him because He first loved us."--1 John 4:9-10

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear ... "
1 John 4:18
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4 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2009 - 10:55PM #9
solfeggio
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The Ten Commanments were of course written by Jews and for Jews, and the people who wrote them would be exceedingly surprised, and probably very angry, to find that gentiles were quoting them at all.  Also, they have more to do with an angry and arrogant God of the Hebrews flexing his muscles and warning people not to incite his wrath than anything else.  And they certainly have nothing at all to do with abortion.


As well, it is true that humans are too ignorant and arrogant themselves, as well as being fallible, to be able to make any sort of judgment about anything, divine or otherwise.  Much as we like to think of ourselves as some sort of superior species, as Stephen Jay Gould once commented: 'We're just another twig on the tree of life.' 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2009 - 11:52AM #10
Tolerant Sis
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Feb 28, 2009 -- 11:19AM, Tmarie64 wrote:


Feb 20, 2009 -- 7:25PM, toki66 wrote:

However, because I am Pro-Life, I think it is sad the abortion debate never talks about the third option people have for unwanted pregnancy. People only talk about aborting a pregnancy or raising an unwanted child. What about adoption? These women who do not want their children can give them to a deserving family who very much “wants” them.



So... You think the crack addicted prostitute should consider carrying a pregnancy to term?  What do you think are the odds that a crack addicted black or hispanic child would be adopted?


Are you aware that MOST people who want to adopt do not want children "of color" or children that are not "perfect"?  Meaning... they want HEALTHY WHITE babies.


This is just one reason why adoption is not always an option.  There are not enough people who WANT "flawed" babies.




 


This is the heartbreaking thing that I think most 'just give it up for adoption' prolifers do not get and never really will.  People are clamoring for healthy white newborns; nobody is lining up to adopt these damaged children, and kids in the system typically spend time in four foster homes before either aging out or being placed in a so-called 'group home' which is basically a jail for teenagers who have done nothing wrong.


We are 'expecting' a newborn in the next week who has been drug exposed.  It takes several months of training to work with such a child (the average foster parent does not get one of these kids), and crack can leave holes in the poor little child's brain that will never be repaired.  The child will need years of occupational therapy and physical therapy just to deal with normal life functions, and may never, ever approach his peers in terms of quality of life.


However, we have just adopted this newborn's 12 year old half sister.  I am one of the few foster homes that believes in maintaining family structure for children in foster care if at all humanly possible.  I am in the minority.  At 48, I am becoming the mother of a very, very fragile infant ... by choice.


If prolifers spent any time dealing with the reality of some of these issues, they might be less dogmatic about 'life at any costs'.


 

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