Mindis quote: And even after constructing a perfect legal system that admits no errors, what is the death penalty supposed to accomplish for the benefit of society? :End Quote.

It would allow those of us who lived, who survived, to have a measure of peace.

tolerant sis Quote:
Are you saying you would prefer that a child rape victim be murdered, too? Because that would be the end result if the death penalty were to be imposed on child rapists. There would be NO incentive for the criminal to leave the only witness alive.

Even if ... IF ... the death penalty weren't unjustly meted out, even if there was any way to make sure we weren't murdering an innocent person, even if using the death penalty at all didn't leave us a pariah state in the world community, you still have to face that very, very stark fact.

The rapist would just kill the victim. If he hasn't got anything to lose, either way ... why would he take the risk that the child would identify him? : End Quote



Fear and conjecture aren't facts, tolorant sis. It is your opinion, and your unproven, faulty, twisted, reasoning that can be very damaging to survivors. Bet you didn't even consider them in your so called rational?

And, children don't feel guilt over someone being punished for a crime unless they are taught to feel guilt. Like say, forcibly being taught forgiveness dogma. Like say, browbeating your child to take up the position that a rapist is a human too. When any person who's experienced rape will tell you to your face, that your lying, and that your taking the side of a criminal monster.

Kids don't view the world in the convoluted terms that you view it in. And as for your first repulsive comment...No I wouldn't prefer that a rape victim be murdered, yet for some rapes it would be mercy.

Twist that any way you want to.

Divalicious

[QUOTE=divalicious;600472]Mindis quote: And even after constructing a perfect legal system that admits no errors, what is the death penalty supposed to accomplish for the benefit of society? :End Quote.

It would allow those of us who lived, who survived, to have a measure of peace.[/QUOTE]

The state killing people gives you peace?

It doesn't give me peace, and it doesn't give society peace.  It's just another murderous act.  We have plenty of those already, without the state perpetrating more of them.  If you get your peace from someone killing someone else, then you should have abundance of peace without needing the state to do any killing.

So, you haven't identified anything that the death penalty accomplishes for the benefit of society.

[COLOR="Teal"]I certainly hope that you are mistaken about Mindis theory concerning child rape victims lying. I can think of nothing more devastating than not being believed when a child is assaulted.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Tolerant Sis;600612]I am sure you are much happier that your son is alive today, though, Bubby.  There is a strong chance that, if the DP had been on the table when the crime against him occurred, he might not be.[/QUOTE]

You opinion, not fact. Not even close. And your opinion is a gross spin on conflicting truths... We just can't kill the criminals, even though they get an ungodly amount of appeals, and chances
( their victims didn't) Even though science is present to refute claims of innocence...if the criminal isn't afraid to die then he/she will take the victims first... Show me proof. not your theory.

Sickening actually.


Hey mindis, I read your words. There is no doubt in my mind that you consider the word of children suspect, if you would think to err on the side of criminal rights.

Criminal rights over human rights. Killing doesn't give me peace, Mindis, knowing that one less rapist lives and breaths because of my tax dollars - gives me peace.

Your views, your words, I am just challenging you.
These are your ideologies, Stand by them good man.

Well?

[QUOTE=divalicious;600674] Hey mindis, I read your words. There is no doubt in my mind that you consider the word of children suspect, if you would think to err on the side of criminal rights.[/QUOTE]

(1)  You have mistaken what I quoted with what you believe I said.  Go back and read my posts. 

(2)  I didn't raise any issue about "criminal rights".  When you say "criminal" you have already decided that someone is guilty of something.  The issue concerning the testimony of chilren is how much weight should be given to that testimony to convict someone who is merely accused of a crime. 


[QUOTE]Killing doesn't give me peace, Mindis, knowing that one less rapist lives and breaths[/QUOTE]

In death penalty cases, the way that someone's life and breath is taken is by the state killing.  Whatever distinction you're trying to make, it is a distinction without a difference. 

You still haven't identified anything the state accomplishes by engaging in killing that benefits society.