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5 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2008 - 10:51AM #181
SkyWalker53
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[QUOTE=bluehorserunning;386545]'Did you also explain that they can't cook vegetables?  ...because herbivores and omnivores don't cook dead vegetation on stoves or in ovens, they just eat it.'

Humans have fire.  Fire (or the modern equivilant therof) is sometimes used to make organic matter easier to digest.  One would think that after 10,000 (or so) years we'd be used to the idea.[/QUOTE]

you have no idea what high heat and flame does to tissue do you? stick your finger in a flame or boiling water to find out. There is a reason humans are so diseased.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2008 - 10:55AM #182
SkyWalker53
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[QUOTE=becca97;386937]carnivorous omnivores such as wolves sometimes bury harder to digest meat for a few days (what humans call aged or blue meat i beleive) to make it easier to digest, if thats natural then cooking with fire that tool using apes figured how to make naturally (IE evolution) is hardly unnatural, we may do it too often but that is somewhat different to it being unnatural.[/QUOTE]

sure keep trying to convince yourself that high heat and flame should be applied to dead tissue so that you may eat it. Again study what high heat and flame does to tissue. Maybe you also believe you are a scavenger like a wolf that can actually eat rotting material like an alligator and not get sick from the bacterial explosion since they have extremely strong acids unlike a human ape.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2008 - 10:57AM #183
Gandalf_Parker
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Chai008 wrote:

How do we change the Amercian diet, education they same way you change anything else. The recommended amount of meat is not 3 times a day 7 day a week. The sooner people learn these things the more likely they are to cut back on the McDonalds every night.

Did you ever consider thoes farmers that are going out of buisness probably have children that are starving because they are loosing thier job or do you just not care. If


If its a gradual shift then it will be a gradual shift to other uses of the land and manpower. The same argument was made about limiting alcohol, and tobacco.

If we focus mostly on beef then we can achieve the most good in the shortest time even if the ranchers shift to other forms of meat. If they want a challenge let them shift to ostriches.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2008 - 11:10AM #184
becca97
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[QUOTE=SkyWalker53;387220]sure keep trying to convince yourself that high heat and flame should be applied to dead tissue so that you may eat it. Again study what high heat and flame does to tissue. Maybe you also believe you are a scavenger like a wolf that can actually eat rotting material like an alligator and not get sick from the bacterial explosion since they have extremely strong acids unlike a human ape.[/QUOTE]

about the only dead food i eat is bread on occasion and rice though rice is a little different; (it would be good if you'd quit making out i eat dead animals btw it is rather offensive when i've not done so in nearly 24yrs (since aged 6yrs)) and no heating food is not the evil you continually pretend it is. Do you know for example that some animals have been observed to leave figs and other fruits in the hot afternoon sun to give them a little heat and one presumes it is either for easier digestion or taste or both?

You don't want to eat any heated food go for it but do leave the rest of us alone. You are a RAW organic vegan, i am an organic vegan, you work hard for animals (specifically in rescue right now if i'm reading right) as do I, being RAW is not a matter of ethics it is a matter of personal choice. fyi not that it is your business we mainly cook oriental food using steaming and occasional stir frying (with rapeseed oil locally produced enviromentally sound and rich in nutrients). Rarely grill or boil or roast. Eat more salads than not.

Course we all recal how you attacked dar for cooking vegan food; so i doubt reason will rule here either.

Used wolves as an example that making food easier to digest by whatever means was not unnatural nor only a human consideration.

Wolves rarely eating truely rotting matieral like alligators do in fact only when desperate would they even try.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2008 - 2:23PM #185
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[QUOTE=SkyWalker53;387210]you have no idea what high heat and flame does to tissue do you? stick your finger in a flame or boiling water to find out. There is a reason humans are so diseased.[/QUOTE]

*snort*
well, one thing my finger would be after being boiled is more edible. 
Since I have no interest in eating my fingers, I won't be boiling them any time soon.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2008 - 12:27AM #186
Schädel
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do you realize that if the meat business began to use nicer methods of doing things that we would starve to death. there is a vast about of considerations that need to be addressed in referance to what your requesting people to do. the idea of a single 5 dollar egg??
personally i have no issues eating meat or eggs. i have known about this since i was a child. my family were farmers. why are you so worried about a chick anyways? seriously? some moral issue? chickens have a brain the size of a pea and they are for eating they serve no other function then to be eaten. life feeds on life. those chicks karmas are to be eaten and that is their lot in life.  not fair but life is suffering is it not?



like cattle production cows eat enough food to feed something like 2000 people and a beef cow feeds like 6, mind you my figures are off but cattle for milk and beef, is not cost effective at all. if the US reduced it's meat production in half that we could feed most if not all starving people in the world.

the whole vegan thing is not logical or sane, meat eating makes humans strong and willfull. the reason that socialist and communist countries make sure their populations have little meat is to control them. the hindus used that method for 10,000 years to control the masses at the same time makes sure it's warrior clases had plenty of meat. i am personally against beef eating. but i am 100% for eating fish, fowl, elk,bufflow and venisen. every vegan i know was effeet, sickly, weak and passive. men eating soy, no wonder gay marriage is such a hot topic in this country.
blast me with your reasons for meat eating being immoral and unhealthy all day long and i will eat some hooters wings the entire time your talking to me. my whole family is healthy and are all meat eaters and live long and healthy lives. all these supposed illnesses from meat eating is from bad genetic luck. vegan; old indian word for bad hunter..
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2008 - 1:09AM #187
Schädel
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i bet you guys would eat eggs if you were stuck in a prison cell and only given slaughtered meat products. hypocrites with ill logic. reminds me of the liberals that claim to be anti-violance and tollerant and  when someone tells them they are wrong they get very angry, shout racial words and get in fist fights. sad that people get brainwashed like that. you animal rights people are just like your forefathers the national socialist party of germany. they were all pro-animal rights, into veganism and supported abortion and were prochoice. the roots of all these fringe movments is from the socialists like the nazis, marxist and communists.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2008 - 1:11AM #188
Schädel
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bluehorserunning wrote:

wtf?

Schadel, your post is one big series of logical inconsistencies.  I'm not even entirely sure which side you're arguing on.


and your point is? i am against beef eating, i know that the meat industry is never going to be kind to animals becasue it is too expencive and  you guys are full of cow manure not even bull manure just common crap. only one bull to a herd ya know.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2008 - 1:16AM #189
Schädel
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SkyWalker53 wrote:

That was the lamest crap I've ever heard. First of all those chickens were forced into this world (and would not exist otherwise as a caged "tool" for a sadistic animal) by the disgusting human apes that bred them. Next, you BH, are choosing the safest comfy death you can possibly have and you will do your best to avoid death for as long as your life isn't terrible. The "process" of being killed by a human is one that you will do everything in your power to avoid just as you would do everything in your power to make sure your adopted pets were not killed and eaten. Try to use more grown up lame excuses for the CHIOCE TO exploit and kill other animals at least it would be less embarrassing for you.


i take it you hate humans? you sound so hatefull. i assume your a democrat also? you people have so much venom and spite, you deeply hate your selves and that is a common trait of peta and ALF they hate humans and are terrorists. i can not wait for that congression act on hate groups to come to law. they would get you guys off the net, you advocate violance against people over SUVs and animals.. you are really a insane bunch from all i see here.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2008 - 1:25AM #190
Schädel
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skywalker, your dog eats meat? or does it eat vegies? have some compassion for us meat eaters. you have so much compassion then leave us meat eaters alone, we do nto force meat down your gullets. the human animal needs protine and soy and bean protine is not enough. the human body needs meat and you are espousing a very illogical form of thinking. have you seeing a mental health professional since you stopped eating meat? i think your brain may have atrophied?
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