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5 years ago ::
Mar 27, 2008 - 1:58PM
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I'd be perfectly happy to see rapists get the death penalty. ..... Rape is crime of hatred, not passion. Capital punishment is a crime of hatred that is carried out with a passion.
I would also like to see those involved in the murder of ANY relative or loved one (wife, girlfriend, child, sibling, etc.) get the DP..... That would include women killing an abusive husband.
But I can just imagine what would happen - there would be rules in schools that require the suspension or expulsion of any child who jokingly says, "I'll kill you!" There is real fear, and then there are just paranoid fearmongers. Yes, and those fear mongers are politicians feeding off of the paranoia of voters.
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 27, 2008 - 5:48PM
#52
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[QUOTE=mountain_man;387328]That's two out of 3263 death row inmates. That's not a trend, nor is it accurate. Both of those inmates know that if they just want to hurry up and get it over with the system would fight against killing them. [COLOR="Navy"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]I was simply using those 2 men as examples. You cannot tell me they are the only one's that feel this way.[/FONT][/COLOR]
Since most do not want to die, you are doing them no favors. And there's that "truly guilty" bit, with an error rate approaching 20% and the racial inequality inherent in the system, you will be executing innocent people. [FONT="Comic Sans MS"][COLOR="Navy"]Hmmm.... You really only read what you want to don't you. Have even bothered yourself enough to find out who you are arguing with? I have repeatedly stated that the only time that I feel the DP should be utilized is when guilt is in no way in question. You know, like when the Police officers broke down the bathroom door & discovered Jerry's hand on the knife that was buried in his son's neck. Kind of like that. There was NEVER a question as to that monster's guilt. We would ALL have been better off if they had just opened fire on him right there. The ONLY reason that they didn't was that they were afraid of hurting that little boy.[/font][/color]
Life in prison will stop them. There is no reason to continue the cycle of violence. [FONT="Comic Sans MS"][COLOR="Navy"]Sorry bout having to burst your bubble, but life in prison does not always stop them. Ask the surviving family members that have been killed in prison by these guys serving life. The guys that had nothing else to lose because they were already serving their max sentence.[/COLOR][/FONT]
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5 years ago ::
Mar 27, 2008 - 5:55PM
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[QUOTE=RiverMoonlady;387576]I'd be perfectly happy to see rapists get the death penalty. Rape is a crime of hideous violence, it often involves the use of a weapon or other deadly force and the offenders are likely to repeat their crimes. Many serial killers start out by just raping, then go on to murder as their rage increases. Rape is crime of hatred, not passion.
I would also like to see those involved in the murder of ANY relative or loved one (wife, girlfriend, child, sibling, etc.) get the DP. I'm sick and tired of hearing about abusive men killing their women and/or children (yes, there are a few females who do the same, and deserve the same fate) and getting far less than life in prison for their heinous crimes.
But I can just imagine what would happen - there would be rules in schools that require the suspension or expulsion of any child who jokingly says, "I'll kill you!" There is real fear, and then there are just paranoid fearmongers.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="Blue"][FONT="Fixedsys"]I happen to agree with a lot of what you say.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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5 years ago ::
Mar 27, 2008 - 10:09PM
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Rape is a complex crime often about control sometimes hate and anger sometimes rage at an female relative or former wife (usually mother or step mother though) it is the latter which usually leads to multiple murder or serial killers rather than the former, the formers can lead to serial rapists but again compartmentalising such a crime in such a black and white manner is imho lazy; but i also acknowledge i'm not very unbiased in this case and know a great deal i might well prefer not to know.
in general i agree pretty much with what dave has said about the other comments since my last post. I do see from some pro DPers at least though not all a certain amount of fear always it is the serial killers and multiple murderers even though serial killers make up a small proportion of murderers caught and un caught and yet the fear of serial killers is so great.
Interestingly one is more likly to be a victim of a serial killer if one is old, a premi baby, terminally ill (mercy killers) or strippers or prostitutes (moralistic bible inspired more traditional serial killers (Jack the Ripper). But even then the chances are higher of being killed in a household accident.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 27, 2008 - 10:18PM
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I was simply using those 2 men as examples. You cannot tell me they are the only one's that feel this way. You cannot say that everyone on death row feels the same way. Those two men speak only for themselves.
Hmmm.... You really only read what you want to don't you. Have even bothered yourself enough to find out who you are arguing with? I have repeatedly stated that the only time that I feel the DP should be utilized is when guilt is in no way in question. As I said earlier, that argument doesn't work with me. I do not care if their guilt is proven beyond any doubt, it's still wrong to kill them. What you're telling me is that it's alright to kill if you do not like someone. That makes you no different than those you wish to kill.
Sorry bout having to burst your bubble, but life in prison does not always stop them. Ask the surviving family members that have been killed in prison by these guys serving life.. And this happens daily? Yearly? Do you have any statistics on how many people sentenced to a life sentence have killed in prison?
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 28, 2008 - 12:42PM
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And this happens daily? Yearly? Do you have any statistics on how many people sentenced to a life sentence have killed in prison? [/QUOTE]
[COLOR="Navy"][FONT="Georgia"]This was on the front page of my home embarq page this morning. Although this article does mention a death as a result, they do indeed happen & even you cannot have your head buried so deep in the sand as to think that they do not[/color][/font]
THREE RIVERS, Texas (AP) — Authorities say several inmates have been injured in a prison riot in south Texas.
Dispatchers with the Live Oak County Sheriff's Office say multiple inmates were hurt in the riot Friday morning. There was no word on injuries to guards.
San Antonio emergency responders are assisting authorities in the small rural county.
The riot is the second in Texas in recent weeks. A riot involving 80 inmates at the federal facility in downtown Houston broke out earlier this month.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 28, 2008 - 1:47PM
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This was on the front page of my home embarq page this morning....... How about answering my questions? We know there are prison riots - they happen mostly because of the poor treatment many people love to see heaped upon prison inmates. Treat them like animals and they'll act like animals.
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 28, 2008 - 3:24PM
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There may also be the problem that the US has become led by lawyers. Of course the bodies of government make and define our laws. But so many politicians come from a background of getting a degree in law. They tend to feel that solving things involves making more laws. Even when an obvious answer seems to be undoing some laws, they tend to add to it rather than subtract. Sometimes, more laws are not the answer.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 28, 2008 - 4:09PM
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[QUOTE=mountain_man;390294]How about answering my questions? We know there are prison riots - they happen mostly because of the poor treatment many people love to see heaped upon prison inmates. Treat them like animals and they'll act like animals.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="Navy"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]I have had a very long few days ,so I have not had time to post an answer to your post in full. I just posted quickly this morning because it seemed ironic that it would be there right after I read your post. I will say this. As soon as our son's health issues are settled, I will be back & gladly answer you. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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5 years ago ::
Mar 28, 2008 - 10:35PM
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I hope your son recovers {{hug}}
beccaxx
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