all these people deserve to live. in my opinion. Yes they may have done cruel things but everyone deserves a second chance and even when I see these crimes on t.v. i still feel bad they get the death penalty because people do change and do'nt you think that it is enough to seclude them for their entire life behind bars . i think so. I think life in prison is the farthest any punishment should go.  I don't believe in the death penalty whatsoever. And I'm not saying that if someone in your family gets killed...that you should go make friends with the murderer but i still don't think you should fight for such a cruel and heartless punishment.

[QUOTE=RiverMoonlady;512144]I guess that's some sort of a Christian thing, to keep murderes alive so that they have a chance to "repent."

It sure doesn't bring their victims back or give any relief to the families of those they murdered, does it?[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]Not all Christians believe that the murderer should be treated better than his victims.[/COLOR]

Whether or not they deserve to live is out of the question.  They should live and pay their crime by life imprisonment if you ask me.  Why let them have the easy way out through the death penalty when a much harsher sentence would be for them to live out the rest of their lives in prison?  And besides that, the death penalty is immoral.  It does not give the person much chance to repent of their sins for one thing.  And I personally believe that nobody has the right take the life of another person except for God unless it is a soldier in a just war.

[QUOTE=mountain_man;471530]Not dodging, just refusing to play your games.

You could, if you were really interested in learning about education and recidivism rates you could do a quick search yourself. But somehow I don't think you're really interested. You just want to find something wrong, anything wrong, with anything I've said.[/QUOTE]

I'm not playing games --- I am asking for the source of your assertion.

You see, I am the one that posted real numbers and the site that provided them: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q … 92164/pg_1.  Go ahead and click on it and read the article from the Journal of Correctional Education -- that would be the people that handle the education of prisoners.  As you can see, I already did a search myself and the numbers I found are 1/3 to 1/4 as high as what you claim.

So what I found wrong with what you said is that you made it up.

What continues to be wrong is that you are trying to sideline that little fact by pretending you are not answering because all the big, bad DP proponents are pickin' on you.

In reality, it is most likely you aren't posting a source for your 90% number because you don't have one.  And -- if you lied from the get-go --- I guess it isn't much of a surprise to anyone that you wouldn't have the personal integrity to admit it.

So, one more time --- what is the source of your claim of 90% reduction in returns to prison?  Do you have one or did you make the number up?

McAtheist wrote:

Mountain_man: " I never said that.."

But you did say this....

Not dodging, just refusing to play your games.:cool:

You could, if you were really interested in learning about education and recidivism rates you could do a quick search yourself. But somehow I don't think you're really interested. You just want to find something wrong, anything wrong, with anything I've said.

Those on your side spout all kinds of nonsense statistics, yet when someone not on your side says anything you DEMAND! backup. I never said you were picking on me, I was just pointing out your double standard. Such standards only detract from your arguments.;)