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| 4 years ago :: Dec 31, 2008 - 2:23PM #1 | |
etsryan
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Brave new world? Not in our lifetimes? Not enough dowry money to be a sugarmama? Ok, you're gone. 6 feet under. No dowry for a daughter? better abort her before its too late. God help us. 36 percent of young men unmarried from a shortage of females... ya think? Real choice going on all righty. This is the HUMAN race, right? Seems like something less to me when I read stuff like this:
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/end … icide.html excerpt: A recent study estimated that as many as 500,000 unborn girls are killed each year in India due to gender selection, and an estimated 10 million unborn girls have been killed over the past 20 years based upon gender preference. India now has the world’s lowest sex ratio because of this widespread gender selection practice. India is perhaps the only civilization that worships God in woman-form, but still doesn’t stop many countrymen from killing their own daughters. Earlier baby daughters are killed by smothering, making them lick poison, or simply by not feeding them in India and China. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Female_feticide excerpt: the 1970s saw a dramatic drop in the girl-to-boy ratio in India, when abortion was legalized and ultrasound technology enabled families to determine the sex of their child by the fourth month of pregnancy. By 2005 the ratio slipped to 814 girls for every 1,000 boys, as opposed to the natural rate of 952 girls for every 1,000 boys. According to the British medical journal Lancet, approximately 50 million girl fetuses have been victims of feticide in China. In India the number is estimated at 43 million.² Approximately seven million more are credited to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, and South Korea. Because China and India account for 40% of the world's population, an imbalance in these two countries alone has a profound impact on global population statistics.³ According to a December 2007 UNICEF report, India is "missing" 7,000 girls per day, or 2.5 million each year Traditional Practices of India The life of a woman in India is often marked by such disrespect that some feel it is better for the family, and even for the baby girl, that she not be born. Perhaps the greatest factor in this is the practice of dowries. One slogan of the female feticide industry is "better 500 rupees now [for an abortion] rather than 50,000 rupees later [for a dowry]." The first amount equals about $11 (USD), the second about $1,100. India has a longstanding tradition of requiring a wife's family to support her financially in her marriage. This begins with a dowry of extraordinary sums of cash, gold, and goods. Defenders of this system point out that a dowry takes the place of inheritance, which some women in India do not receive. However, in many cases the groom's parents take possession of the dowry and do not set any of it aside for the bride's future use. Furthermore, the bride's family's responsibilities extend to further supporting the new family in substantial ways, beyond the initial dowry. Some Indian castes even require a wife's family to cover her funeral expenses. Some brides have been rejected by the groom's families and even killed because their families did not meet the groom's family's expectations for dowry. All these cultural and financial factors act as disincentives for Indian families to permit their girl babies to be born. Effects of Female Feticide in India Female feticide has adversely affected Indian society. 36% of men between the ages of 15 and 45 in the wealthy state of Haryana are unmarried. This prevalence of unmarried men has a destabilizing effect that counteracts the stabilizing and enriching effects of families in a society. The poorer of these unmarried men seek brides from India's economically challenged eastern states, and wives obtained in this way tend to be exploited and in some cases passed on from one husband to the next. The sex imbalance in India will have an increasingly destabilizing effect on a consumer of U.S. nuclear and other military technology. India's economy promises to continue growing rapidly in the future, as currently thriving industries such as information technology grow and expand throughout India. It remains to be seen whether India's moral character will keep pace with its economic growth.
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 31, 2008 - 3:10PM #2 | |
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Except for the unfortunately inflammatory rhetoric of this article it does showcase a problem in the developinig world in general and in India and the Peoples Republic of China specifically. The problem in the PRC is worsended substantially by the infamous One Child policy as well. The solution to this issue is education to improve the situation of females ini the society as both are also infamous historically for infanticide of female infants. Outlawing abortion in either nation would merely alter the time of death!
etsryan, you postsmost commonly represent a passionate but reasonable individual but the inflammatory title of this and other threads impedes not facillitates discussiopn. Wishing you and yours a happy and prosperous New Year.
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 12:19PM #3 | |
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[QUOTE=etsryan;988412]Brave new world? Not in our lifetimes? Not enough dowry money to be a sugarmama? Ok, you're gone. 6 feet under. No dowry for a daughter? better abort her before its too late. God help us. 36 percent of young men unmarried from a shortage of females... ya think? Real choice going on all righty. This is the HUMAN race, right? Seems like something less to me when I read stuff like this:
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/end … icide.html excerpt: A recent study estimated that as many as 500,000 unborn girls are killed each year in India due to gender selection, and an estimated 10 million unborn girls have been killed over the past 20 years based upon gender preference. India now has the world’s lowest sex ratio because of this widespread gender selection practice. India is perhaps the only civilization that worships God in woman-form, but still doesn’t stop many countrymen from killing their own daughters. Earlier baby daughters are killed by smothering, making them lick poison, or simply by not feeding them in India and China. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Female_feticide excerpt: the 1970s saw a dramatic drop in the girl-to-boy ratio in India, when abortion was legalized and ultrasound technology enabled families to determine the sex of their child by the fourth month of pregnancy. By 2005 the ratio slipped to 814 girls for every 1,000 boys, as opposed to the natural rate of 952 girls for every 1,000 boys. According to the British medical journal Lancet, approximately 50 million girl fetuses have been victims of feticide in China. In India the number is estimated at 43 million.² Approximately seven million more are credited to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, and South Korea. Because China and India account for 40% of the world's population, an imbalance in these two countries alone has a profound impact on global population statistics.³ According to a December 2007 UNICEF report, India is "missing" 7,000 girls per day, or 2.5 million each year Traditional Practices of India The life of a woman in India is often marked by such disrespect that some feel it is better for the family, and even for the baby girl, that she not be born. Perhaps the greatest factor in this is the practice of dowries. One slogan of the female feticide industry is "better 500 rupees now [for an abortion] rather than 50,000 rupees later [for a dowry]." The first amount equals about $11 (USD), the second about $1,100. India has a longstanding tradition of requiring a wife's family to support her financially in her marriage. This begins with a dowry of extraordinary sums of cash, gold, and goods. Defenders of this system point out that a dowry takes the place of inheritance, which some women in India do not receive. However, in many cases the groom's parents take possession of the dowry and do not set any of it aside for the bride's future use. Furthermore, the bride's family's responsibilities extend to further supporting the new family in substantial ways, beyond the initial dowry. Some Indian castes even require a wife's family to cover her funeral expenses. Some brides have been rejected by the groom's families and even killed because their families did not meet the groom's family's expectations for dowry. All these cultural and financial factors act as disincentives for Indian families to permit their girl babies to be born. Effects of Female Feticide in India Female feticide has adversely affected Indian society. 36% of men between the ages of 15 and 45 in the wealthy state of Haryana are unmarried. This prevalence of unmarried men has a destabilizing effect that counteracts the stabilizing and enriching effects of families in a society. The poorer of these unmarried men seek brides from India's economically challenged eastern states, and wives obtained in this way tend to be exploited and in some cases passed on from one husband to the next. The sex imbalance in India will have an increasingly destabilizing effect on a consumer of U.S. nuclear and other military technology. India's economy promises to continue growing rapidly in the future, as currently thriving industries such as information technology grow and expand throughout India. It remains to be seen whether India's moral character will keep pace with its economic growth.[/QUOTE] Female selective abortion is the abuse of technology to act out strong cultural preferences ie male sons. It does not represent choice; it is the abuse of choice. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 12:26PM #4 | |
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[QUOTE=etsryan;988412]Brave new world? Not in our lifetimes? ...[/QUOTE]
And not in this country. We are not India.
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 12:19PM #5 | |
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[QUOTE=etsryan;988412]Brave new world? Not in our lifetimes? Not enough dowry money to be a sugarmama? Ok, you're gone. 6 feet under. No dowry for a daughter? better abort her before its too late. God help us. 36 percent of young men unmarried from a shortage of females... ya think? Real choice going on all righty. This is the HUMAN race, right? Seems like something less to me when I read stuff like this:
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/end … icide.html excerpt: A recent study estimated that as many as 500,000 unborn girls are killed each year in India due to gender selection, and an estimated 10 million unborn girls have been killed over the past 20 years based upon gender preference. India now has the world’s lowest sex ratio because of this widespread gender selection practice. India is perhaps the only civilization that worships God in woman-form, but still doesn’t stop many countrymen from killing their own daughters. Earlier baby daughters are killed by smothering, making them lick poison, or simply by not feeding them in India and China. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Female_feticide excerpt: the 1970s saw a dramatic drop in the girl-to-boy ratio in India, when abortion was legalized and ultrasound technology enabled families to determine the sex of their child by the fourth month of pregnancy. By 2005 the ratio slipped to 814 girls for every 1,000 boys, as opposed to the natural rate of 952 girls for every 1,000 boys. According to the British medical journal Lancet, approximately 50 million girl fetuses have been victims of feticide in China. In India the number is estimated at 43 million.² Approximately seven million more are credited to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, and South Korea. Because China and India account for 40% of the world's population, an imbalance in these two countries alone has a profound impact on global population statistics.³ According to a December 2007 UNICEF report, India is "missing" 7,000 girls per day, or 2.5 million each year Traditional Practices of India The life of a woman in India is often marked by such disrespect that some feel it is better for the family, and even for the baby girl, that she not be born. Perhaps the greatest factor in this is the practice of dowries. One slogan of the female feticide industry is "better 500 rupees now [for an abortion] rather than 50,000 rupees later [for a dowry]." The first amount equals about $11 (USD), the second about $1,100. India has a longstanding tradition of requiring a wife's family to support her financially in her marriage. This begins with a dowry of extraordinary sums of cash, gold, and goods. Defenders of this system point out that a dowry takes the place of inheritance, which some women in India do not receive. However, in many cases the groom's parents take possession of the dowry and do not set any of it aside for the bride's future use. Furthermore, the bride's family's responsibilities extend to further supporting the new family in substantial ways, beyond the initial dowry. Some Indian castes even require a wife's family to cover her funeral expenses. Some brides have been rejected by the groom's families and even killed because their families did not meet the groom's family's expectations for dowry. All these cultural and financial factors act as disincentives for Indian families to permit their girl babies to be born. Effects of Female Feticide in India Female feticide has adversely affected Indian society. 36% of men between the ages of 15 and 45 in the wealthy state of Haryana are unmarried. This prevalence of unmarried men has a destabilizing effect that counteracts the stabilizing and enriching effects of families in a society. The poorer of these unmarried men seek brides from India's economically challenged eastern states, and wives obtained in this way tend to be exploited and in some cases passed on from one husband to the next. The sex imbalance in India will have an increasingly destabilizing effect on a consumer of U.S. nuclear and other military technology. India's economy promises to continue growing rapidly in the future, as currently thriving industries such as information technology grow and expand throughout India. It remains to be seen whether India's moral character will keep pace with its economic growth.[/QUOTE] Female selective abortion is the abuse of technology to act out strong cultural preferences ie male sons. It does not represent choice; it is the abuse of choice. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 12:26PM #6 | |
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[QUOTE=etsryan;988412]Brave new world? Not in our lifetimes? ...[/QUOTE]
And not in this country. We are not India.
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 3:44PM #7 | |
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And the solution would be yet again in suble changes in societies attitudes ..... removing abortion won't solve any problems just make darned sure that born babies will suffer deaths and/or terrible neglect. (in china there are 'orphanages' where girl children can be deposited to 'die' so the parents adhere to the one child ruling till they get a boy - imho abortion is better whilst attitudes to girls are countered) .....
And in all actuality these attitudes in china are undergoing slow but significant change a) the success of female atheltes in beijing has shown girls can indeed bring honour to a family and nation b) a shortage of rural marriages due to a lack of girls is leading folks ot reconsider the importance of girl children as the care of elderly relatives is being left more and more to men ...... all of this and more takes TIME. And abortions used in this manner would ne against choice not pro choice --- no true PCers i have met or listened to advocates forcing a woman to do anything, many do not even wish to push any option above another firmly beleiving in a womans right to make her own choice, her own informed choice whatever that may be. and in countries such as germany, belgium and the netherlands this policy works to sustainably and significantly reduce abortion rates. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 4:16PM #8 | |
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Considering how many born exterminations occur in China particularly, due to the Communist government there, this entire matter is the responsibility of an intolerant fascist regime that revokes pro-choice, by law. In a country that is highly populated by Christians, in fact.
So pay attention to what happens when choice is outlawed and there's only one option permitted, by law, for the women of these countries. That is what forced pregnancy by law advocates in America would like to employ, as policy, when they insist our population here explode because every conception is made, by law, to come to term. That is, for those pregnancies that are not miscarried. Which is evidence in itself, if a god gives life in the womb, he then takes it away and as such, under gods law and dictatorship, then becomes the foremost abortionist in the universe. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 6:12PM #9 | |
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[QUOTE=MysticWanderer;988520]Except for the unfortunately inflammatory rhetoric of this article it does showcase a problem in the developinig world in general and in India and the Peoples Republic of China specifically. The problem in the PRC is worsended substantially by the infamous One Child policy as well. The solution to this issue is education to improve the situation of females ini the society as both are also infamous historically for infanticide of female infants. Outlawing abortion in either nation would merely alter the time of death!
etsryan, you postsmost commonly represent a passionate but reasonable individual but the inflammatory title of this and other threads impedes not facillitates discussiopn. Wishing you and yours a happy and prosperous New Year.[/QUOTE] I think it might help if a PC and PL reviewed things and rewrote them in a collaborative way to reduce the inflammatory things that aggravate each side if possible. thanks for the feedback. i realize some of my titles/posts are provocative at times. I call em what I call em. I say em the way I say em. I don't know if I have low beam or not. If I do I may not know how to use it. I am trying to listen/learn/hear/speak/teach/share/exhort/ponder/collaborate/not get too upset - although I don't deny that sometimes I run across something that basically breaks my heart so much I can barely stand it/makes me want to scream forever. I am trying not to go there since if I start I may not know how or be able to stop. inflammatory: tending to arouse anger, hostility, passion, etc provoke: 1. to anger, enrage, exasperate, or vex. 2. to stir up, arouse, or call forth (feelings, desires, or activity) 3. to incite or stimulate (a person, animal, etc.) to action. 4. to give rise to, induce, or bring about: I am hoping for the last three rather than the first definition...
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 01, 2009 - 6:55PM #10 | |
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[QUOTE=etsryan;990429]I think it might help if a PC and PL reviewed things and rewrote them in a collaborative way to reduce the inflammatory things that aggravate each side if possible....[/QUOTE]
How about you start? Stop calling anything inside the uterus a "baby." You purposely choose that word just to be inflammatory. You can start using the neutral "ZEF."
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