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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 9:05PM #41
Sacrificialgoddess
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bubbysmommy wrote:

Which is RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!





Which is why I think you folks are actually in agreement!  :rolleyes:



:D

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 9:05PM #42
solfeggio
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OK - And I know I'm going to be sorry for asking this, but why would anybody consider Ronnie Reagan to have been a great president?

I've studied the history of the English-speaking peoples in great depth, including a LOT of American history, which has always interested me, and historians always list Washington as the greatest president, followed by Lincoln, and with FDR as the greatest of the 20th-century presidents. 

What did Reagan ever do except get involved in the Iran Contra scandals?  And don't tell us that he ended the Cold War, because he didn't.  That honour goes to Gorby.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 9:07PM #43
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[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Again, this is one of those discussions that just does not belong on this board. It is one for the political boards.[/COLOR]
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 9:07PM #44
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Oh, and BTW:
Bubbysmommy -
It's not the Smithsonian 'Institute'.  LOL.  It's the Smithsonian Institution!
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 9:12PM #45
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[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Fair enough. My fingers & brain don't always type the same speed LOL!
Well, ladies, it's been fun, but I have to put our son to bed. Later.[/COLOR]
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 7:41PM #46
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[QUOTE=sacrificialgoddess;245100]Not really applicable to this board, but no one has ever proved to me that that book should have any more weight on me than any other.  Or more than my gods, for that matter.  :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]The reason that religion is applicable to this board is because some of us are driven by our beliefs.While you are entitled to believe in more than one god, there are those of us that believe in only one true God. For us, there is inexplicable proof given in our New Testament that endorses the DP. It is viewed differently by different religions. Therefore, if a specific religion molds us, or drives our beliefs, it is very relevant.  [/COLOR]
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 7:58PM #47
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bubbysmommy wrote:

The reason that religion is applicable to this board is because some of us are driven by our beliefs.While you are entitled to believe in more than one god, there are those of us that believe in only one true God. For us, there is inexplicable proof given in our New Testament that endorses the DP. It is viewed differently by different religions. Therefore, if a specific religion molds us, or drives our beliefs, it is very relevant. 





*shrugs*

We are all driven by our beliefs.  But when someone says that our nation is also driven by their beliefs, and I should be driven by those beliefs, they will just have to prove it, won't they?  :rolleyes:

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 8:26PM #48
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sacrificialgoddess -
You bring up many good points, and I've enjoyed reading your responses to all the silliness being expressed about the DP being 'God's law' and that 'eye for an eye' nonsense.

LOL I had to laugh at someone's asserting that you're not a true American if you don't read the bible.  That was one of funniest bits of all.

Hey, true Americans out there, if you knew anything about your own history, you'd know that several of the Founding Fathers were DEISTS!   And what is Deism?  It is a belief, based solely upon the evidence of reason, in the existence of God as the creator of the universe who, after setting it in motion, abandoned it, assumed no control over life, exerted no influence on natural phenomena,  and gave no supernatural revelation.  Deists believe that the Creator does not concern Himself with humans, and they deny the divinity of Jesus as well.

In no place in the Constitution is religion even mentioned, except in exclusionary terms.

As Jefferson wrote: 'History furnishes no examples of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.'  And he also wrote that 'Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.'

And, of course, there is substantial proof that George Washington was not a Christian.

Sorry, folks.  America was founded on civil and not religious principles.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 8:28PM #49
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solfeggio wrote:

sacrificialgoddess -
You bring up many good points, and I've enjoyed reading your responses to all the silliness being expressed about the DP being 'God's law' and that 'eye for an eye' nonsense.

LOL I had to laugh at someone's asserting that you're not a true American if you don't read the bible.  That was one of funniest bits of all.

Hey, true Americans out there, if you knew anything about your own history, you'd know that several of the Founding Fathers were DEISTS!   And what is Deism?  It is a belief, based solely upon the evidence of reason, in the existence of God as the creator of the universe who, after setting it in motion, abandoned it, assumed no control over life, exerted no influence on natural phenomena,  and gave no supernatural revelation.  Deists believe that the Creator does not concern Himself with humans, and they deny the divinity of Jesus as well.

In no place in the Constitution is religion even mentioned, except in exclusionary terms.

As Jefferson wrote: 'History furnishes no examples of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.'  And he also wrote that 'Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.'

And, of course, there is substantial proof that George Washington was not a Christian.

Sorry, folks.  America was founded on civil and not religious principles.



You know, you and I often disagree -- a lot!  But on this, you and I agree!   :eek:

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 8:45PM #50
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sacrificialgoddess -
I was just talking about that very thing - agreeing and disagreeing - with someone else on another board.  She and I have had our differences where some subjects are concerned, but on others we are definitely on the same page.

And I guess that is what these forums are all about: Coming to terms with issues, talking with people, even arguing, but always in a civil format.   What I have found is that it often happens that people with whom I've clashed on some issue turn out to have the same viewpoint as I do on others.

But, then, why not?  That's what being human is all about.

Anyway, one of my pet peeves where the Americans are concerned is this idea that the country belongs to the Religious Right, and that God will smite the evil pagans and nonbelievers with his terrible swift sword.

I haven't visited America in some years, so I don't have a feel for the Zeitgeist, but it does seem to me that once upon a time Americans WERE more liberal in their beliefs and more secular.  And, certainly, one of America's greatest presidents, FDR, was not known as being particularly religious!
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