[QUOTE=Karma_Yeshe_Dorje;285945][COLOR="Red"]Conservatism[/COLOR] is a [COLOR="red"]hereditary[/COLOR] disease![/QUOTE]

What do you mean by that?

[QUOTE=mountain_man;285974]Define "pollutant". Just claiming that CO2 is not a "pollutant" does not cancel the fact that humans have put enough of it into the atmosphere to change the climate.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/co2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change
And there's hundreds more if you wish to bother getting educated on the topic.[/QUOTE]

The EPA has identified 188 pollutants of which CO2 is not included.
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/orig189.html

CO2 does not cause global warming.  It is primarily the sun.  You need to educate yourself:)  You can start by googling under "sun causes global warming"

[QUOTE=isness;285549]Where on earth are you finding this information?  The global warming controversy is overwith as of  IPCC's most recent report in Nov. 2007.

I suggest you take a peek at our own (I'm assuming you're American)  government's EPA site.
www.epa.gov.  Also go to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change at www.ipcc.ch
Thousands of studies have been conducted by the most prominant scientists on the planet.
The consensus is that global warming is directly related to human activities.  You may be able to dig up contrary info from rougue "experts"  on the internet.....but you will find no better qualified panel of experts than at IPCC.[/QUOTE]

Hi Isness.  Those experts are no more or less qualified than hundreds of others. There were not "thousands" of IPCC scientists who served on the IPCC. There were more like 600.  There were 308 Reviewers and of those, only 62 reviewed chapter nine which was the most important chapter of the entire Report because it dealt with the science that supposedly supports man made warming.  Of those Reviewers only FIVE (you read that right) endorsed the statement made by the IPCC at the beginning of chapter nine, which said, "it is very highly likely that greenhouse gas forcing has been the dominant cause of the observed global warming over the last 50 years".
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/sppi_ … eview.html

The more you read about the IPCC you will find out the special interests, ideology, bias  and politics that wove their way through it.  The IPCC is a lot more than what the MSM is presenting.  Read that site I just listed and then some of the others at http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/

Also check out the Petition Project at http://www.oism.org/pproject/
This organization has about 20,000 scientists who reject man-made global warming.  The IPCC has less than a thousand.  Just because a scientist is affiliated with the UN/IPCC doesn't mean there aren't other scientists who are just as qualified to comment authoritatively on global warming.  People think that just because the "UN speaks," people should always listen.  Recall the many scams of this do-nothing body. One of the keys to the success of the UN/IPCC global warming scam was filtering out science that didn't agree with what the true scientific records show and the agenda of the politicians and other non-scientists with the UN/IPCC. 

It's all out there to read.  I can show you more key websites that expose what's really going on with  Gore, IPCC and other environmental activists.  Don't forget one thing:  Gore's hockey stick was flawed and purposely left out key data concerning temperatures over the past 800 years.  That should tell you something.

[QUOTE=heldbygrace;286896]Hi Isness.  Those experts are no more or less qualified than hundreds of others. There were not "thousands" of IPCC scientists who served on the IPCC. There were more like 600.
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I never said there were thousands of scientists who served on the IPCC.  I said the IPCC had conducted thousands of studies.

You obviouly choose to believe what you want to believe.  I'm no scientist....and neither are you.

When all else fails.....resort to common sense.  The earth if a finite area of space.  We have people populating the earth rapidly.  Do you think that perhaps the planet will reach a point where it is unable to sustain the amount of people living on it?  Do you think we can just keep producing more people and never run out of resources?

The time has come to start considering these very simple facts. And you don't need to be a scientist to use common sense.  If we don't find ways of living more sustainabley on the planet, eventually it will be too late, and life on the plaet will no longer be able to thrilve. 

Why is it that you need PROOF before you take action?  Do you need PROOF that people are multiplying like a virus in a cesspool?  Do you need PROOF that the earth does not have infinite resources???  There is no denying that the earth is changing rapidly.  ALL scientists agree with this.  You will NEVER find global consensus to support any one belief on anything.
All we can do is use common sense.  To me, it makes perfect sense that the earth will eventually be unable to sustain the number of people living on it. 

I am appauled (trying to use least offensive language) that you are willing to  gamble with the future of OUR earth!!!  For what? Profit??? More money???? For what ??? To buy more STUFF? For what?  To further define and flaunt your monstrous ego?  What really matters to you anyway?

[QUOTE=Karma_Yeshe_Dorje;288637]isness:

~New Scientist~[/QUOTE]


Both my parents are republicans.  I became a democrat when I moved out and went to the local art college.  It didn't take much for me to see that this was the wiser choice.

Still I love my parents.  We never agree on politics....but we never cease trying to explain our differing views . It takes a lot of focus and determination to remain level-headed and calm. Otherwise the conversation would end......and the possibility for understanding would be over.
I enjoy this challenge.