What are you talking about? I said come to this thread and left a link http://community.beliefnet.com/forums/s … hp?t=17480 because on that thread is proof of MOJ and DP cases, some cases of which the MOJ victim is on the last roll of the dice to see if they live or not, the evidence is pitiful yet still the justice system refuses to acknowledge it.

I wonder if you'd be so cavalier if someone you loved was tortured and murdered and the guilty laughed and sneered about it in the court room.

That is what jail is for and no i've not been cavalier about anyones life; you on the other hand have with regularity dismissed the lives of MOJ cases as "casualities of war" "colateral damage" and "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

That an innocent person was executed in order for vermin like this to face the DP is a small price to pay for justice.

No it is a large price to pay for an unnessecary unjust punishment. Please just stop and think for one moment about how you'd feel if it were your loved one we spoke of, your family or close friend. Maybe you'd still support the DP but i gurentee you, you would not be so dismisive of the cost of MOJ cases especially as they relate to the DP on the MOJ victim and their families.

Please don't come to this  thread with your bleeding heart argument for not putting to death those who do unspeakable evil.[/QUOTE]

Well there is this thread http://community.beliefnet.com/forums/s … hp?t=17480 which so far all the pro DPers have avoided like the plague, presumably because they have no arguments left to defend the undefendable.

And i repeat, if you or your loved ones found yourselves victim to MOJ (miscarriages of justice) then those you derisivly call "bleeding hearts" will be the ones you need to turn to.

So how about it then come onto the following thread (link http://community.beliefnet.com/forums/s … hp?t=17480 ) and actually argue in favour of casualties of war, collateral damage, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and so on.

I won't discuss hiroshima and negasaki save to point out yet again that Japan was already surrendering and had initiated a ceasefire when the order to bomb was given ... instead of saving lives it cost lives. Which actualy is rather a good anology with the way the DP is carried out by the countries incl the US who retain it ... as is evidenced by the Debra Milke case. (see Questionable Justice Thread)

This whole "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is just BS frankly, if someone is so enamoured of that little rationality for evil it is worth pointing out that if the only solutions considered are those looking out for some and not as many as possible (including the 'few') then the only solutions seen as viable will be those excluding the 'few' from consideration, whereas any effort that tries to save the 'few' as well is not only more just and humane it is more likely to come across solutions that at least minimise the suffering of more people including the 'few'.

MOJ victims are not calsualties of war, for one thing they have less rights and respect even when found innocent than casualties of war, for another the DP is a choice not a necessity, the majority of civilised countries do not have the DP and managed perfectly well without it. (amnesty.org)

No one wants to see an innocent person executed, but we don't stop the war because a mistake might be made. the answer is to see that everything is done to insure it doesn't happen.[/QUOTE]

Part of that answer is showing some respect to MOJ victims and cease refering to them in such reprehensible terms as 'collateral damage' and 'casualties of war' and the worst to date 'necessary sacrifices' ... a little value for their lives would be nice ya know?

Why not come over to the Questionable Justice thread and face these "necessary sacrifices" see how in so many cases their convictions and probable deaths were not accidental but willful acts of misjustice ... learn just what it is you are so dismissive off.

Or why not tell tolerant sis that if her cousin had become a victim of the DP it would have been a necessary sacrifice ... god dam it man have some compassion and humanity.