| 6 years ago :: Nov 05, 2007 - 2:23PM #1 | |
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Did anyone else get a chance to watch the resent program about the noose that aired on CNN over the weekend. It was very horrific to watch, and I just don't see how we will ever get over the dark history of America, especially when racism won't let us forget it.
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| 6 years ago :: Nov 05, 2007 - 2:23PM #2 | |
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Did anyone else get a chance to watch the resent program about the noose that aired on CNN over the weekend. It was very horrific to watch, and I just don't see how we will ever get over the dark history of America, especially when racism won't let us forget it.
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| 6 years ago :: Nov 15, 2007 - 12:58PM #3 | |
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The tactics may be different in todays society in that in can be things like denial of services but the reason is the same.
Get informed Racism is still alive and it includes minorities of all races from Asians, Middle Eastern, Hispanic to Blacks. The terminology is hidden in terms like sundown towns, pseudo scientific fiction Check out the book see the map for current racist towns especially in diverse NY state.It's not just history. http://www.uvm.edu/~jloewen/sundowntowns.php not a book to check out but the type of garbage racism can try to use as legitimate http://www.nysun.com/article/27946 When Scientific Ideology Was a Mask for Racism By ADAM KIRSCH |
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| 5 years ago :: Jan 07, 2008 - 1:50PM #4 | |
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Uhm. Yeah.
Because only minorities have ever been hanged by the neck until dead. Tell that to one of my ancestors who was hung by Union Troops for no other reason than they were basically bored. |
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| 5 years ago :: Jan 07, 2008 - 2:54PM #5 | |
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[QUOTE=Hildulf;195028]Uhm. Yeah.
Because only minorities have ever been hanged by the neck until dead. Tell that to one of my ancestors who was hung by Union Troops for no other reason than they were basically bored.[/QUOTE] To understand the difference i suggest you listen to this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs .... and realise that up until very recent times black people could and where killed just for being black by people who were upstanding folks in society. indeed if you review the miscarriges of justice cases in the US much of them are black victims of institutional racism. and watch this one for good measure http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWdeE3wq5 … re=related indeed in america today the noose is used as s symbol by racists to abuse and torment black kids and people. So no as unfortunate an occurance as your realtion went through it is not the same as the issue under discussion here. |
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| 5 years ago :: Jan 07, 2008 - 3:08PM #6 | |
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The point is that the noose has been used for ... oh... a LONG time to hang people of all colors, creeds, religions, sexes, sexualities, and any other demographic you can think of for any or no reason.
Have blacks been negatively affected by nooses? Absolutely, without question. So have many many other people. Nobody has the market cornered on being offended by the symbol of a noose. |
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| 5 years ago :: Jan 07, 2008 - 3:53PM #7 | |
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[QUOTE=Hildulf;195226]The point is that the noose has been used for ... oh... a LONG time to hang people of all colors, creeds, religions, sexes, sexualities, and any other demographic you can think of for any or no reason.
Have blacks been negatively affected by nooses? Absolutely, without question. So have many many other people. Nobody has the market cornered on being offended by the symbol of a noose.[/QUOTE] ku klux klan .... |
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| 5 years ago :: Jan 07, 2008 - 6:20PM #8 | |
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What about them?
Did they use the noose? Yes. So did a boatload of American judges in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries against alleged outlaws of all colors. Some of whom were innocent. So did Union troops in the American Civil War who used it against Southern whites and blacks when they were bored. So did British magistrates, judges, and lords from the Middle Ages into the early 20th century... and amazingly... very few of those hung in those times were black. Now, I realize you're focused on the noose in America, and solely on its connotations between black lynchees and and white lynchers. My point is that it's just another thing for people to attempt to say, "That caused MY people grief! Therefor it's against ME, and only my people!" It's quite akin to condemning any and all usage of the Fylfot (Sanskrit: Swastika), because a sawed off, half-moustachioed psychopathic fanatical Catholic used it to symbolize his Reich. The difference? There's no positive connotations to the noose. Not for blacks. Not for whites. Not for Latinos. Not for Asians. Not for Middle-Easterners. So... why focus on it as a negative symbol SOLELY against the American blacks? THAT is ignoring its brutal misapplication throughout history EXCEPT for when misapplied against the blacks. |
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| 5 years ago :: Jan 07, 2008 - 7:16PM #9 | |
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[QUOTE=Hildulf;195683]What about them?
Did they use the noose? Yes.
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| 5 years ago :: Jan 07, 2008 - 7:23PM #10 | |
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Ah yes. My ignorance on the topic.
Because I recognize that it has been misapplied against many different sorts of people throughout history for political as well as misjudgment reasons. There is a fair bit of ignorance on the topic, but I think it's on purpose, and I don't think it's mine. Perhaps you missed the part where I acknowledged its misapplication by an American racist organization? I simply acknowledge that it has also been misused by many other people and organizations against people of all colors and belief systems. |
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