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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:36AM #41
Redkim
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[QUOTE=itsacrucifiction;18970]BS! A recent poll shows 72% believe abortion is a private decision between a woman and her doctor, while 69% also view abortion as the taking of a human life (Source)

In other words, we are well aware abortion kills an unborn. At the same time, we know that killing is nowhere near equivalent to killing a married mother of three kids, solely due to the fact an unborn is not a person.[/QUOTE]


Yes, you itsa may be quite well aware that you are supporting the taking of a human life. It is quite evident that you don't care.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:45AM #42
pIrish
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[QUOTE=redkim;18947]Why not just say "You're  having an adult"?[/QUOTE]

This is a straw man argument and you know it. A baby doesn't come out as an adult. Baby, toddler, adolescent, teen, young adult, adult, middle-aged, elderly all describe stages in a person's life. Nobody can skip stages.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:46AM #43
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[QUOTE=redkim;18955]I can just as easily say "protect the fetuses" as I am saying "protect the children." The difference between you and I is that I recognize the fetus for what it is: a human life; a human being. You don't. I'm calling a spade a spade. Would that the pro-abortion side would as well.[/QUOTE]

I call a fetus a fetus. I don't distort the definition.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:47AM #44
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[QUOTE=pIrish;18999]This is a straw man argument and you know it. A baby doesn't come out as an adult. Baby, toddler, adolescent, teen, young adult, adult, middle-aged, elderly all describe stages in a person's life. Nobody can skip stages.[/QUOTE]


No strawman involved. I was just showing the absurdity of your argument: the fetus is not yet a baby so it's okay to abort it if a woman wants.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:49AM #45
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[QUOTE=redkim;18979]Yes, you itsa may be quite well aware that you are supporting the taking of a human life. It is quite evident that you don't care.[/QUOTE]

69% of the population agree, while 72% agree it's a decision between a woman and her doctor. You are the odd man out here.

And why should anyone care? Given that 88% of abortions occur by the 13th week of pregnancy, what is killed is not even 3 inches long, has a tail and looks much like a salamander. We should no more feel guilty than we would if we laid a mousetrap that resulted in the death of a mouse. Would you get all huffy and cry over the death of a mouse? If not, then it should be simple to understand why 72% care not one whit that an embryo is killed in an abortion.

The prolife argument is abortion is wrong because it takes a human life.
Society answers, "So what? It's nowhere near the same as killing a person, so who cares?"
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:51AM #46
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[QUOTE=redkim;19007]No strawman involved. I was just showing the absurdity of your argument: the fetus is not yet a baby so it's okay to abort it if a woman wants.[/QUOTE]

In 88% of abortions, a fetus isn't killed. I mean really, the polls show the prolife arguments aren't working. So isn't it time the deception of confusing embryos with fetuses or confusing fetuses with persons, stop?
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:53AM #47
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[QUOTE=redkim;19007]No strawman involved. I was just showing the absurdity of your argument: the fetus is not yet a baby so it's okay to abort it if a woman wants.[/QUOTE]

Do you even know what a straw man argument is?

Wikipedia definition:

"To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position."

Suggesting that we call a baby an adult is easy to refute and it clearly overstated my position.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:53AM #48
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[QUOTE=itsacrucifiction;19009]69% of the population agree, while 72% agree it's a decision between a woman and her doctor. You are the odd man out here.

And why should anyone care? Given that 88% of abortions occur by the 13th week of pregnancy, what is killed is not even 3 inches long, has a tail and looks much like a salamander. We should no more feel guilty than we would if we laid a mousetrap that resulted in the death of a mouse.[/QUOTE]


I have no response to this. But this post should remain to demonstrate the callousness some pro-abortion people have toward human life.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:54AM #49
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[QUOTE=pIrish;19017]Do you even know what a straw man argument is?

Wikipedia definition:

"To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position."

Suggesting that we call a baby an adult is easy to refute and it clearly overstated my position.[/QUOTE]

yeah, and  I wasn't even suggesting it seriously.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2007 - 10:56AM #50
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The "A zygote is a baby like a stem cell is a lung" analogy is based on the fact that both entitites require a number of external factors to act upon them and these external factors influence outcome. A zygote without hormones, cytokines, etc remains a pair of cells. A stem cell, without the correct environmental influences, remains a stem cell. They both have potential, that is all. To call a zygote a baby is a specious religious, public-relations, attempt to sucker people who don't know better and sway them by emotion rather than reason.
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