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6 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2008 - 10:11PM #431
Sacrificialgoddess
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daddywags wrote:

hi,
a waste of space, there was no definition. he is combining vengeance and justice together.
there is a need to ponder more about justice and revenge, not just say one is the other.


peace from the soul is true....
daddywags





Sometimes, the line between blurs.  Particularly in cultures where love ones are supposed to provided the justice in murder situations...

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2008 - 7:50PM #432
daddywags
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hey,
there is no peace on the battle field.  only those that have been led astray by those in power.
the a bomb? please, japan has it's revenges everytime we buy something.  germany the same thing, steel, cars.  you can continue to spout about your hatred and desire to kill people as a means of having power over them, but, it will not change the fact that it is solves nothing.  it brings more of what you say you are against, what you are trying to solve.  you sink down to that level.  a rose by any other name is still a rose...
peace cost's nothing...
daddywags
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2008 - 8:07PM #433
bubbysmommy
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[QUOTE=daddywags;460867]hey,
there is no peace on the battle field.  only those that have been led astray by those in power.
the a bomb? please, japan has it's revenges everytime we buy something.  germany the same thing, steel, cars.  you can continue to spout about your hatred and desire to kill people as a means of having power over them, but, it will not change the fact that it is solves nothing.  it brings more of what you say you are against, what you are trying to solve.  you sink down to that level.  a rose by any other name is still a rose...
peace cost's nothing...
daddywags[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"][FONT="Book Antiqua"]I would like to interject that while there is certainly no peace on the battlefield, it does sometimes bring about peace that just was not there  to begin with. It may not be the preferred method of some, but it has certainly worked. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2008 - 7:38AM #434
daddywags
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hey richardt,bubbysmom, john t,
What!  all those innocent lives you claim the dp will save, killed in a flash! as in any war!
if that statement does not sway those of you who support the dp, then you are more concerned with being right in your own mind.
what a crock!
peace brings the soul to light the world..
daddywags
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2008 - 9:55AM #435
John_T_Mainer
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[QUOTE=daddywags;460867]hey,
there is no peace on the battle field.  only those that have been led astray by those in power.
the a bomb? please, japan has it's revenges everytime we buy something.  germany the same thing, steel, cars.  you can continue to spout about your hatred and desire to kill people as a means of having power over them, but, it will not change the fact that it is solves nothing.  it brings more of what you say you are against, what you are trying to solve.  you sink down to that level.  a rose by any other name is still a rose...
peace cost's nothing...
daddywags[/QUOTE]

Your arguement falls under a lack of internal consistency.  Neither Germany, nor Japan is shooting at us anymore, and in my own military service, I served along side the Bundeswher.  Clearly war and the twin nuclear strikes at Japan did make peace possible.  You will notice I said make peace possible, not make peace.  Peace requires force to destroy the enemies will or ability to war against you, and then it requries just settlement, where the terms of settlement allow both peoples the chance for justice, for self determination, for future growth, security and prosparity.  Inequitable peace is simply delayed war.

It is warriors who clean up the mistakes of politicians.  When two peoples are unable to come to agreement, and are unwilling, or do not feel bound by the impartial rule of law, then as Bismark pointed out, there is only "Blood and Iron".

In a democracy, it is the people who determine when we go to war, and from that point on it is only from the point of a sword, or barrel of a gun that peace will come.  Negotiations are only possible when the VictoryFather has made his will known upon the battlefield.  When doom is written for one side, the politicians find their negotiating positions suddenly are more flexible.  The willingness to stop at a limited victory is the mark of greatness.  The first war in Iraq was that.  The second was an attempt to acheive social change with gunfire.  Neither possible, nor productive.

War is the only tool to accomplish some ends.  It is not the tool for all ends.  Little George is almost as wrong as you are in this one.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2008 - 11:53AM #436
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[COLOR="Blue"]I would like to make sure that you are not misunderstanding me. My post was in reference to war & only war. Not the DP in our country & how that is being handled, but in the need to sometimes fight a war. That there are many cases in which the war itself brought about a peace that was not there to begin with. [/COLOR]
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2008 - 9:55AM #437
John_T_Mainer
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[QUOTE=daddywags;460867]hey,
there is no peace on the battle field.  only those that have been led astray by those in power.
the a bomb? please, japan has it's revenges everytime we buy something.  germany the same thing, steel, cars.  you can continue to spout about your hatred and desire to kill people as a means of having power over them, but, it will not change the fact that it is solves nothing.  it brings more of what you say you are against, what you are trying to solve.  you sink down to that level.  a rose by any other name is still a rose...
peace cost's nothing...
daddywags[/QUOTE]

Your arguement falls under a lack of internal consistency.  Neither Germany, nor Japan is shooting at us anymore, and in my own military service, I served along side the Bundeswher.  Clearly war and the twin nuclear strikes at Japan did make peace possible.  You will notice I said make peace possible, not make peace.  Peace requires force to destroy the enemies will or ability to war against you, and then it requries just settlement, where the terms of settlement allow both peoples the chance for justice, for self determination, for future growth, security and prosparity.  Inequitable peace is simply delayed war.

It is warriors who clean up the mistakes of politicians.  When two peoples are unable to come to agreement, and are unwilling, or do not feel bound by the impartial rule of law, then as Bismark pointed out, there is only "Blood and Iron".

In a democracy, it is the people who determine when we go to war, and from that point on it is only from the point of a sword, or barrel of a gun that peace will come.  Negotiations are only possible when the VictoryFather has made his will known upon the battlefield.  When doom is written for one side, the politicians find their negotiating positions suddenly are more flexible.  The willingness to stop at a limited victory is the mark of greatness.  The first war in Iraq was that.  The second was an attempt to acheive social change with gunfire.  Neither possible, nor productive.

War is the only tool to accomplish some ends.  It is not the tool for all ends.  Little George is almost as wrong as you are in this one.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2008 - 11:53AM #438
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[COLOR="Blue"]I would like to make sure that you are not misunderstanding me. My post was in reference to war & only war. Not the DP in our country & how that is being handled, but in the need to sometimes fight a war. That there are many cases in which the war itself brought about a peace that was not there to begin with. [/COLOR]
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6 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 9:51PM #439
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The condemned should be executed within a year after sentencing. There should be a law requiring authorities to kill them no later than a year after sentencing. They must be dead within 12 months of hitting prison concrete and rebar.
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6 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 8:47AM #440
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[QUOTE=ElCid22;504684]The condemned should be executed within a year after sentencing. There should be a law requiring authorities to kill them no later than a year after sentencing. They must be dead within 12 months of hitting prison concrete and rebar.[/QUOTE]

http://www.debbiemilke.com/

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?6 … +1998)+pdf

The National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty congratulates Levon "Bo" James on his newfound freedom earlier today (May 2, 2008), as well as all those who worked so tirelessly to win his release after 14 years on death row for a crime he did not commit.

May 2, 2008 -- Diann Rust Tierney, executive director of the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, issued the following statement today in response to today's announced exoneration out of North Carolina :

"It's been more than seven months since an execution occurred in the U.S. - the longest de facto moratorium in our country in 25 years. And today, just as executions are set to resume in the U.S. , Levon "Bo" Jones becomes the 129th person to be freed from death row since 1976, after evidence of innocence emerged. He's the eighth wrongly convicted death row inmate out of North Carolina alone. Nationally, there have been five death row exonerations since the current de facto moratorium began in late September. Jones is the second consecutive North Carolina man to be freed from death row after evidence of police misconduct was brought to light.


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(source for the above can be found on the thread questionable justice linked below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd9IPegBxhU

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http://community.beliefnet.com/forums/s … hp?t=17480

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"If an innocent man can come this close to being executed, the system is broken," said Stubbs.

If we do it your way, and to be fair most pro DPers on here have voiced the same opinion, the amount of miscarriages of justice who are killed by judical murder will substantially increase.

Now it is hard enough for the handful of MOJ (miscarriages of justice) cases who do get convictions overturned to re-build any sort of life outside it is dam impossible when one has been murdered ... surely to goodness it is bad enough that whatever crime these folks are convicted off has produced victims what does it solve to advocate policy that wil produce MORE innocent victims?

And if you don't give a cr*p about the MOJ (miscarriages of justice) victims then one should care about the original actual criminal getting away with the crime and being free to commit more and thus producing yet more innocent victims ... either way killing people without the time to ensure the correct person is convcited propsals such as yours only creates more victims and more pain.

Very moral.
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