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4 years ago ::
Apr 14, 2008 - 9:08AM
#121
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You speak as thought innocent people where executed on a daly bases. You do your best through science and DNA evidence to see that no innocent people are executed. It may happen and that is a tragedy, but justice must be served.
Please explain to me how justice is served when an innocent person is executed. You many want to check the following link to find links to cases in which innocent people have been convicted of murder only to be exonerated at a later date:
http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Se … r&x=23&y=1
Had these people been executed before evidence of their innocence came to light we would have many more examples of what you rightly call a tragedy.
"The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs." -- Justice William Brennan: Speech to the Text and Teaching Symposium at Georgetown University,(October 12, 1985)
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 11:50PM
#120
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The best argument against the death penalty has always been the fact that a killer knows that he can only be executed once for a murder. Therefore, he has nothing to lose by murdering more than once. And this is why the death penalty doesn't work, and why it will never work.
As a matter of fact, ten of the twelve U.S. states that do not have the death penalty have LOWER homicide rates than states that do execute.
And it is also true that murder rates stay high in states with the death penalty. It does not act as a deterrant to crime.
The worldwide trend is towards abolishing state-sanctioned killing. Since 1985, 55 nations have done this, leaving only 25 still using the death penalty.
There are more progressive ways of dealing with serious offenders.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 3:33PM
#119
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I have always supported the death penalty. I also support a sound legal system that convicts the right criminals who commit the crime. I don't believe we should stop the death penalty because some innocents have been wrongfully killed. I believe we need to clean up our legal system so that we can make sure 100% that who we are sending to prison, deserve to be there, and deserve to die.
And while we are cleaning up the legal system we run the risk of executing more innocent people
If we could speed up the death penalty and clean up our legal system we would save millions of dollars and needless suffering for victims and the victim's families. These people would only do it again if they were allowed to live and get out of prison. Why should tax dollars be spent for them to have all the sex and drugs they want in prison for the rest of their lives?
If you believe that saving millions of dollars is more important than ensuring that those who are executed are actually guilty, I suggest you might be only looking for vengeance and not necessarily justice.
I frankly don't understand why this is not supported more. If you lost your child or family member to a monster, you would think otherwise. People lose their right to life when they brutalize, torture, and kill others.
If an innocent is executed, this argument is invalid. The person you rightly call a monster is still out on the street still able to brutalize, torture, and kill others. Nothing has been solved, and another innocent life has been lost.
"The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs." -- Justice William Brennan: Speech to the Text and Teaching Symposium at Georgetown University,(October 12, 1985)
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 2:39PM
#118
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[QUOTE=becca97;430869]they happen to the best of us especially when emotions come into play .... mutual apologies and {{hugs}} all around i'd say.
beccaxx[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"](((Agreed)))[/COLOR]
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 2:26PM
#117
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[QUOTE=bubbysmommy;430844][COLOR="DarkGreen"]Ah, I stand corrected. Seems to be a lot of misunderstands today...Sigh...[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
they happen to the best of us especially when emotions come into play .... mutual apologies and {{hugs}} all around i'd say.
beccaxx
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 2:12PM
#116
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[QUOTE=becca97;430832]As in YOU have been INVENTING MY position IE claiming i had no care for the victims.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Ah, I stand corrected. Seems to be a lot of misunderstands today...Sigh...[/COLOR]
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 2:07PM
#115
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[QUOTE=bubbysmommy;430811][COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]What side of the bed did you wake up on this morning?! INVENT my position? Where the Hell did that come from? My position is now, as it has been since Karen & Rachel's death. I want the Jerry Allards of the world executed. I have not wavered from that position one time! Where do you see that I have?![/COLOR][/QUOTE]
As in YOU have been INVENTING MY position IE claiming i had no care for the victims.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 1:59PM
#114
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[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]What side of the bed did you wake up on this morning?! INVENT my position? Where the Hell did that come from? My position is now, as it has been since Karen & Rachel's death. I want the Jerry Allards of the world executed. I have not wavered from that position one time! Where do you see that I have?![/COLOR]
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 1:55PM
#113
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[QUOTE=bubbysmommy;430712][COLOR="DarkGreen"] "Emotive" arguements? Are you of all people stating that we should not take into consideration the feelings of the victim's family? Shame on you.
If you genuinly read that into what i said then i apologise however i will point out i said nothing of the sort and have said many times that of course victims of ALL types aught be considered but as i know myself victims are not the best to judge objectivly. And as i did actualy say emotive based arguments are not good enough reason on there own to justify killing people murderers or otherwise.
You know very well where I stand on this issue. You know that I do not want to kill all of those that have been convicted of murder. However, the Manson's of this world are simply adding to the world's carbon footprint & we would be better off without them.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Yes and unlike you i have not felt the need to invent your position to make out you are saying other than you are; which btw is kinda hurtful, i thought you were a better person than that.
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4 years ago ::
Apr 13, 2008 - 1:27PM
#112
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[QUOTE=becca97;430696]*sigh* as i said try doing some research outside of US sources. Other than that if i continue i wll say something i will regret; it is not your fault you live in a country with some of the best propaganda since Germany in the 1930's.
Always it is "ask the families of his murder victims ..." as if no-one else understands what it is like to be a victim and relive horrifric exepriences. You are talking to the wrong person jodi, every week i relive some of the most horrific things when i have to speak with my father and yet i survive often stronger for the experience; you don't see me baying for his blood and anyone elses. Emotive arguments are not good enough to justify the DP and all that means ~IE devaluing human life.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]"Emotive" arguements? Are you of all people stating that we should not take into consideration the feelings of the victim's family? Shame on you. You know very well where I stand on this issue. You know that I do not want to kill all of those that have been convicted of murder. However, the Manson's of this world are simply adding to the world's carbon footprint & we would be better off without them.[/COLOR]
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