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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2008 - 6:43PM
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Innocent person gets executed = NEVER gets the chance to be exonerated once they are executed because their natural life has been cut short
Innocent person gets life in prison = Constant, life-long (literally) chances to get themselves exonerated until the day they die a natural death.
One sounds a lot more humane to me and at least gives innocents a chance.....
Unless the government issued mandates that the person had to eat the spoiled meat until their death, this comparison is moot.
Are you aware, of the number of rapes that occur in prison? Are you aware of the rate of AIDS in prison? Just because one is not sentence to death, it doesn't mean one is not sentenced to death. A number of posters have suggest that we need to be darn sure before sentencing someone to death, but apparently we don't just to sentence them to jail....
If you truly wish to stop innocence death perhaps the place to start is with those who rape in prison???
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3 years ago ::
Dec 14, 2008 - 12:09AM
#325
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[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]Because I believe that the DP should be used against our killers, here in the USA, I also believe that the people behind any terrorist act the involves the murder or death of a US citizen should also be held to the same standard. However, I do not think that the DP should come into play without a FAIR trial. [/COLOR]
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3 years ago ::
Dec 11, 2008 - 7:23PM
#324
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i don't beleive in capital punishment full stop for serial killers, terrorists (of any stamp be they christian fundementalists or islamic fundementalists or any other type of terrorist) murderers, and alleged killers, terrorists, murderers and so on .... i think teaching that killing another person solves anything is a dangerous lesson for societies to be built upon.
I also think anyone regardless of what crime they are accused off should ONLY be held in, incarceration IF they have had full legal process INCL representation and 'camps' such as guantanemo etc are a disgrace to the world and whilst they exsist the US and UK and their allies have no ground to stand on to lecture other countries on their human rights. (speaking as a UK citizen).
And i'm a non christian.
bx
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3 years ago ::
Dec 11, 2008 - 6:40PM
#323
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Im curious to know how many christians/nonchristians suport capital punishment againtst terrorist,being they soaly suport the killing of anyone not alighn with their thinking.should binlaudin be exicuted?i find many people that are againtst capital punishment are surprisingly suportive of putting to death radical muslims,ide like to know the differance between radical muslims and serial killers?i believe they should be treated the same,life in prison without parole,1st degree murder is the highest degree we have and its all the same,many hold a special grudge for radical muslims that they dont have for other killers,why is this??/
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3 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2008 - 9:04AM
#322
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[QUOTE=BeliefnetCheryl;339]Though this discussion began some time ago on the old board, I think it offers much to think about and discuss.
Sapphiren
To me, Christianity's two fundamental rules are these: love and forgiveness.
But the death penalty is a violation of forgiveness.[/quote]
Really? Where does the Bible say that we shouldn't punish criminals?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2008 - 7:10PM
#321
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Are you aware, of the number of rapes that occur in prison? Are you aware of the rate of AIDS in prison? Just because one is not sentence to death, it doesn't mean one is not sentenced to death. A number of posters have suggest that we need to be darn sure before sentencing someone to death, but apparently we don't just to sentence them to jail....
If you truly wish to stop innocence death perhaps the place to start is with those who rape in prison???
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Huh?
I can't figure out if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? Or just going off on a tangent? Please clarify this post so I can respond to it in a better manner.
Also, why wouldn't Iwant to stop the rapes in prison? Of course I'd like for it to stop.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2008 - 6:08PM
#320
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Phlrish I would be more than happy to address this issue, but it is rather difficult in this forum with such a limited space. Do you happen to have a chat client like Yahoo or paltalk? The whole issue of the Catholic Teaching is very complex and nuanced. My ability to articulate it on the screen would not do it justice. It would be better explained through a voice client. Let me know thanks. I have both Yahoo and paltalk. Thanks.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2008 - 5:54PM
#319
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Since I can't edit my last post, I'll throw this on as its own post. The reason for my last paragraph of questions has a lot to do with the fact that I've considered going to some RCIA classes and possibly converting to Catholicism in the future. One thing I like about the Catholic faith is that there are these huge, long-winded documents stating and explaining the Roman Catholic position on many, many, many topics, but actual Catholics almost all view things differently and that usually has to do with their personal interpretation of things. Which is why I was curious about where you're coming from and why you follow a position that is different. I find individual views of things to be rather fascinating.
I'll also throw in that if you'd like to answer my questions, but would feel more comfortable not answering them on an open, public forum, you're more than welcome to shoot me a private message. :)
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2008 - 10:30PM
#318
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Plrish what you seem to forget is that those executed for crimes had their day in court. They had access to legal counsel, they had the opportunity to cross examine witnesses, they even had the right to defend themselves. To top it off they didn't have to prove their innocence, the State was required to prove their guilt. They were tried by a summary jury of their peers, found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Spent on average 10+ years through the appelate system on review and were then executed by the state. They got their day in court, that's what you aren't getting.
Then please explain what happened or what went wrong with those many, many innocent people who were put on death row (whether or not they were executed) and were later exonerated. Clearly that one day in court isn't fool-proof and there are many problems with it if there are these many people who get the rulings overturned. The "one day in court" argument doesn't hold up when clearly that "one day in court" has so many problems attached to it. It took Sonia Jacobs almost 20 years to get exonerated (well over your 10 year mark).
I do have a couple of questions for you. It's fairly personal so you don't have to answer if you don't want to. Why is it that on the abortion forum you argue so vehemently from the Catholic position (being a Catholic yourself), but here you are vehemently rejecting the Catholic position? Isn't a really big trend in Catholicism that all human life is sacred? You also outright go against what the very person your user name here thinks who, while thinking the death penalty is reasonable, would not agree with your reasons given here for it.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2008 - 10:16PM
#317
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Plrish what you seem to forget is that those executed for crimes had their day in court. They had access to legal counsel, they had the opportunity to cross examine witnesses, they even had the right to defend themselves. To top it off they didn't have to prove their innocence, the State was required to prove their guilt. They were tried by a summary jury of their peers, found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Spent on average 10+ years through the appelate system on review and were then executed by the state. They got their day in court, that's what you aren't getting.
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