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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 4:19PM
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This may make you all laugh: I was in a debate with a bunch of fellow Australians who were complaining about "Christian" music being too much of a feature of ABC Classic FM. A number of people want some balance in the religious music played on Classic FM. I argued, pretty savagely, that Christian sacred music is a vital part of a credible Classical music radio station.
I pointed out that if they are going to get rid of a large amount of Christian sacred music from the station, that will virtually wipe out Medieval, Renaissance and most Baroque music right there. I mean, how do you play the music of Lassus and Palestrina if you want to avoid "Christian music"?
Numbskulls. I was arguing with numbskulls.
It hardly matters whether it's Christian or not. It's in Latin, so one is at most only marginally aware of its meaning while listening to it.
Indeed, this was a point I made. Actually, one of the major issues the Council of Trent had with the music of composers like Lassus and Palestrina was that in their polyphonic Masses the texts were virtually unintelligible.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 3:53PM
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I argued, pretty savagely, that Christian sacred music is a vital part of a credible Classical music radio station.
I have often argued that the only socially redeeming value of the Christian God myth was that it inspired exquisite art and music. (Some pretty dismal stuff in both areas as well, but fortunately by and large you have to go to Church to experience the dismal stuff.)
But you are correct, if you take God out of classical music for and against there is not much left. Unlike Ken, I think that understanding the myth is integral to the music, which is one of the reasons I know more about Christianity than most Christians.
J'Carlin
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't cram your foot in it and complain.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 3:09PM
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This may make you all laugh: I was in a debate with a bunch of fellow Australians who were complaining about "Christian" music being too much of a feature of ABC Classic FM. A number of people want some balance in the religious music played on Classic FM. I argued, pretty savagely, that Christian sacred music is a vital part of a credible Classical music radio station.
I pointed out that if they are going to get rid of a large amount of Christian sacred music from the station, that will virtually wipe out Medieval, Renaissance and most Baroque music right there. I mean, how do you play the music of Lassus and Palestrina if you want to avoid "Christian music"?
Numbskulls. I was arguing with numbskulls.
It hardly matters whether it's Christian or not. It's in Latin, so one is at most only marginally aware of its meaning while listening to it.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 2:26PM
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Re: ABC Classic FM Of course, there were some Jewish and atheist composers throughout history. I believe that John Cage was a Zen Buddhist. Mendelssohn and Mahler were Jews, of course, as was the contemporary of Giovanni Gabrieli, Salomone Rossi. Maybe Toru Takemitsu was a follower of Shinto? I'd have to check. I don't think Muslims really do operas, symphonies, ballets, string quartets, oratorios, cantatas, Lieder or piano music - I certainly know of no Islamic composers.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 2:17PM
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Steven: An origiinal instrument version of Hmol Mass strreaming on kdfc.com
Jeffrey Thomas is the Bay Areas renouned baroque specialist and conductor. Probably using a few countertenors if I know Jeffrey.
The B minor Mass could well be my favourite piece of music. This may make you all laugh: I was in a debate with a bunch of fellow Australians who were complaining about "Christian" music being too much of a feature of ABC Classic FM. A number of people want some balance in the religious music played on Classic FM. I argued, pretty savagely, that Christian sacred music is a vital part of a credible Classical music radio station. I pointed out that if they are going to get rid of a large amount of Christian sacred music from the station, that will virtually wipe out Medieval, Renaissance and most Baroque music right there. I mean, how do you play the music of Lassus and Palestrina if you want to avoid "Christian music"?
Numbskulls. I was arguing with numbskulls.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 2:09PM
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Pretty f***ing rude to call the opinions of experienced musicians here "claptrap".
Yeah, it is safer to tell a theist that herm God sucks.
How can one say that something that doesn't exist "sucks"?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 10:11AM
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Steven: An origiinal instrument version of Hmol Mass strreaming on kdfc.com Jeffrey Thomas is the Bay Areas renouned baroque specialist and conductor. Probably using a few countertenors if I know Jeffrey.
J'Carlin
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't cram your foot in it and complain.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 2:26AM
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Steven Not familiar with Carmen Jones? Here (in the first 1 minute 47) is the second half of the quintet. (Dorothy Dandridge is Carmen but her voice is Marilyn Horne's.)
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2012 - 2:12AM
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Pretty f***ing rude to call the opinions of experienced musicians here "claptrap".
Yeah, it is safer to tell a theist that herm God sucks.
J'Carlin
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't cram your foot in it and complain.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2012 - 11:19PM
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I do believe that I will give up on music. After listening to all this claptrap, it is clear that I have no capacity to understand or appreciate it.
Pretty f***ing rude to call the opinions of experienced musicians here "claptrap". I find that the more I learn about music the more there is to enjoy. No one owns music, but some of us do hope that we can pass it down to the next generations from from grime and clutter that's built up over the centuries and that the next generation will be able to here this music as a living art, rather than older stages in the development of music that is currently popular. I don't want to here "museum" styled performances of Mozart. I want to hear vibrant and fresh performances like those of Robert Levin who take some chances with the music and doesn't chicken out of adding some spontaneity to the music, within some guidelines of good taste, of course.
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