Apr 19, 2011 -- 10:34AM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

Taoism's view of life is different from other relgiion as it doesn' talk about hell and all that stuff. Taoism talks about the nature as a universe, and earth the planet ew say it have two realms or "dimensions" which don't share anything physical in common.  We called them the yin realm and the yang realm to make it easy to understand.

We live in the yang realm here.  When we die, our three souls goes through a period of "transition" and we reborn into the yin realm.  To know the details, I have put together a long article for you with all the knowledge you want to know about! enjoy!  

  makchingyuen.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/ta...

I think it is a little misleading to claim that what you are offering is "knowledge". What, in fact, you are offering is simply an alternative 'belief' and not knowledge.

While there are aspects of Taoism that I find attractive, the unjustified elaborations one encounters in later Taoism - e.g., "our three souls", etc - is little different from the pious and unjustified speculations one finds in other religions.

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:11PM, Namchuck wrote:

While there are aspects of Taoism that I find attractive, the unjustified elaborations one encounters in later Taoism - e.g., "our three souls", etc - is little different from the pious and unjustified speculations one finds in other religions.

There are major differences between Taoism as a Religion and Taoism as a philosophy.

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:31PM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:27PM, Neomonist wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:11PM, Namchuck wrote:

While there are aspects of Taoism that I find attractive, the unjustified elaborations one encounters in later Taoism - e.g., "our three souls", etc - is little different from the pious and unjustified speculations one finds in other religions.

There are major differences between Taoism as a Religion and Taoism as a philosophy.

 

Not really. Taoism IS a religion from the start.  It was never just a philosophy.  Taoism was started in 220 BC officially by the first celestial master Zhang Dao Ling forming the lineage of "Five pecks of rice lineage" and that is when it all got started.

Lao Tze's stuff is not even Taoism yet.  That's Dao-Jia, 道家, which is a school system, not Taoism.  The Tao Te Ching was also wrongly understand and translated by the west as well and it became very weird..... if you want to see what it's about, check this out..----> Tao Te Ching, truth revealed.

Well, I'm more inclined to the philosophy rather than the religion, which, like all other religions, is crammed with elaborate and unjustified assumptions.

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:39PM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:36PM, Namchuck wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:31PM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:27PM, Neomonist wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:11PM, Namchuck wrote:

While there are aspects of Taoism that I find attractive, the unjustified elaborations one encounters in later Taoism - e.g., "our three souls", etc - is little different from the pious and unjustified speculations one finds in other religions.

There are major differences between Taoism as a Religion and Taoism as a philosophy.

 

Not really. Taoism IS a religion from the start.  It was never just a philosophy.  Taoism was started in 220 BC officially by the first celestial master Zhang Dao Ling forming the lineage of "Five pecks of rice lineage" and that is when it all got started.

Lao Tze's stuff is not even Taoism yet.  That's Dao-Jia, 道家, which is a school system, not Taoism.  The Tao Te Ching was also wrongly understand and translated by the west as well and it became very weird..... if you want to see what it's about, check this out..----> Tao Te Ching, truth revealed.

Well, I'm more inclined to the philosophy rather than the religion, which, like all other religions, is crammed with elaborate and unjustified assumptions.

It's because you have not encounter a master that can teach you a good path yet.  In my lineage, I have got a few westerners students who really love the path because everything I taught is proofable and people can see, feel and actually proof what I taught is not just a belief but actually facts and real things. 

If you look at Jesus and those paths, then those are "belief" only, because they don't really need any proof to belief.. people just believe it.. but Taoism is NOT like that. At least my lineage is not. We only talk about things that are real and things we can proof real to our students.

And you can "prove' the claim that humans are possessed of "three souls" that doesn't require the suspension of ones reason? There is objective and empirical evidence for such a claim?

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:44PM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:42PM, Namchuck wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:39PM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:36PM, Namchuck wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:31PM, Mak_jo_si wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:27PM, Neomonist wrote:

Apr 19, 2011 -- 6:11PM, Namchuck wrote:

While there are aspects of Taoism that I find attractive, the unjustified elaborations one encounters in later Taoism - e.g., "our three souls", etc - is little different from the pious and unjustified speculations one finds in other religions.

There are major differences between Taoism as a Religion and Taoism as a philosophy.

 

Not really. Taoism IS a religion from the start.  It was never just a philosophy.  Taoism was started in 220 BC officially by the first celestial master Zhang Dao Ling forming the lineage of "Five pecks of rice lineage" and that is when it all got started.

Lao Tze's stuff is not even Taoism yet.  That's Dao-Jia, 道家, which is a school system, not Taoism.  The Tao Te Ching was also wrongly understand and translated by the west as well and it became very weird..... if you want to see what it's about, check this out..----> Tao Te Ching, truth revealed.

Well, I'm more inclined to the philosophy rather than the religion, which, like all other religions, is crammed with elaborate and unjustified assumptions.

It's because you have not encounter a master that can teach you a good path yet.  In my lineage, I have got a few westerners students who really love the path because everything I taught is proofable and people can see, feel and actually proof what I taught is not just a belief but actually facts and real things. 

If you look at Jesus and those paths, then those are "belief" only, because they don't really need any proof to belief.. people just believe it.. but Taoism is NOT like that. At least my lineage is not. We only talk about things that are real and things we can proof real to our students.

 

And you can "prove' the claim that humans are possessed of "three souls" that doesn't require the suspension of ones reason? There is objective and empirical evidence for such a claim?

Yes I can, but of course not in a sentense or two.  For students who learn from me, I can proof it to them in about a year of teaching or two maybe because they need to experience and go through the stages of experiementation to know what I taught is real.  With these experiements and experience, they will know and be able to proof it's real for themselves. 

Actually it's hard to NOT believe what you see and feel, right?  When you can see it, feel it, work with it, and it never fail on you, it's just impossible to say that's a "belief", it's just solid facts like science. That's how my lineage is. I got students who tried it and told me their thoughts and they all say it's so REAL too...  :)

That sounds to me a little like conditioning. Get someone to believe in something enough and they'll eventually see evidence for it all over the place.