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2 years ago  ::  May 08, 2012 - 9:42AM #1
voice-crying
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I heard a "Christian" respond "no" one time too many. It was this morning on CNN. The comment was: Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality.

Truth is: Jesus spoke about sexual sins. Most of us have committed "sexual sins." And, we are all human beings no matter what our sexual orientation is...so, when we claim to be christians we know that we should marry before engaging in sex.

I can't judge a gay person (I believe there are many reasons a person is or choses to be gay). I can't judge a Gomer or someone who is asexaul. My only concern is: we should know what the Bible says...especially what Jesus said.

Some Bible quotes:


Mark 7:20-23
20 
And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.


21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,


22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:


23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Romans 1: 25-32
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain [8] God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Leviticus 18:22 
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

"Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."Proverbs 18:21
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2 years ago  ::  May 08, 2012 - 3:29PM #2
dblad
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If we concede that Jesus "said" anything at all that is recorded in the New Testament, then it would only be recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. NOT Romans, Galatians or Leviticus ! Accordingly Jesus said nothing directly about what we call homosexuality today. The term ‘homosexuality’ was coined in the late 19th century by a German psychologist, Karoly Maria Benkert. So it is a modern term unheard of in the time of the New Testament

The only thing I can find coming out of the mouth of Jesus concerning immorality;

Mark 7: 20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”.




And this, after Some Pharisees and several teachers of the Law of Moses from Jerusalem came and gathered around Jesus concerning marriage, divorce, staying un-married and re-marriage because they obey the teachings of their ancestors NOT Jesus...

Matt. 19: 11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”


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2 years ago  ::  May 08, 2012 - 8:14PM #3
voice-crying
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dblad,


Yes...Jesus (incarnate Christ) did speak in the four gospels.


He (Glorified Christ) also spoke in: Revelation. And He (Glorified Christ) taught Paul everything he knew. The LORD God of the Old Testament (Hebrew Text) is the Carnate Christ-the Word.


We have no justification to deem a word coined in the 20th century to be off limits when it comes to God's precepts. Wouldn't that be like saying: well! The term: shacking up is not in the Bible so it's ok to do it?


You used Matthew 19. One of the verses you used was: 12. I'm glad you used that one; it is very important, although all it teaches me is that I don't know why people do the things they do. But, this is what I know about chapter 19...look at verse 4. God made them "male and female." They are "no more" two, "but one flesh." So then, Jesus is making it clear.


God did allow Moses to give the people permission to divorce...because of their hearts; but! It was not God's desire. The incarnate Christ Jesus said...divorce and remarriage is: adultery. If we look at Moses' day, men were divorcing their wives in order to marry someone else. So, nothing changed. 


God told Hosea to marry a harlot because HE wanted him to see how HE feels when we reject HIM (and it would later be a sermon for the Northern kingdom). God told Jeremiah not to marry at all...God knew that Jeremiah wouldn't live very long.


I don't know why some people are gay and some are straight. IMO, only God knows the why of it. My concern is: what the Bible says...and that is why I have pointed out some verses so that people won't say...Jesus didn't say anything on the subject.


Personally I feel that people should marry the person they love.     


  


 


 


 


 


 


 

"Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."Proverbs 18:21
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2 years ago  ::  May 08, 2012 - 9:45PM #4
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2 years ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 11:18AM #5
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What did Jesus say about lust and/or lasciviousness? He was against it. What did He say about homosexuality? Zip, nada, nothing. It's interesting that voice-crying, who self identifies as a Christian, should equate lust and lasciviousness with homosexuality. I'd give you odds that their are more heterosexuals indulging in lust/lasciviousness than LGBT, mainly because there are more of them! All of my LGBT friends are monogamous, as are my heterosexual friends. No one I know indulges in watching porn movies, wife-swapping, group sex or any lustful and/or lascivious pursuits. Nor do I concern myself with what any of my friends do with their partners in the privacy of their own homes, although I'm pretty sure none of us confines our sexual activities to the missionary position!


v-c, Jesus' major pronouncement was that we should love one another as He loves us. To denigrate your LGBT brothers and siters is to violate the First of the two Great Commandments. Jesus also said that we should remove the log from our own eye before we fuss over the splinter in the eye of another!  


v-c, judgementalism is a greater sin than anything that happens below the waist! Perhaps you should try minding your own business. 

"God is no captious sophister, eager to trip us up whenever we say amiss, but a courteous tutor, ready to amend what, in our weakness or our ignorance, we say ill, and to make the most of what we say aright."  from 'A Learned Discourse on Justification', a sermon by Richard Hooker (1554-1600).
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