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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:12PM #1
REteach
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Since DUO was accused of starting to many threads on gay topics, I'll start one.  The Sioux City Journal (I grew up there) devoted the whole front page to bullying after a gay kid in a nearby town committed suicide after bullying.  www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/22/iowa-p...

And there are still people who deny that bullying leads gay teens to commit suicide. 
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:17PM #2
mytmouse57
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And some people will continue to try using the misery and suicides of young people to try to drive an agenda, and shame those who might disagree with them on similar, but ultimately unrelated, topics into silence. 


Which I find repulsive. 

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:22PM #3
mountain_man
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May 7, 2012 -- 2:17PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

And some people will continue to try using the misery and suicides of young people to try to drive an agenda, and shame those who might disagree with them on similar, but ultimately unrelated, topics into silence. 


Which I find repulsive.


Interesting, you find someone talking about an important topic repulsive but not the fact that kids are, and have been, bullied into committing suicide. And again with the sweeping generalizations and ad hominems.


An agenda is not always a bad thing. An agenda that includes stopping children from being bullied is a good one.

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:26PM #4
mytmouse57
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May 7, 2012 -- 2:22PM, mountain_man wrote:


May 7, 2012 -- 2:17PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

And some people will continue to try using the misery and suicides of young people to try to drive an agenda, and shame those who might disagree with them on similar, but ultimately unrelated, topics into silence. 


Which I find repulsive.


Interesting, you find someone talking about an important topic repulsive but not the fact that kids are, and have been, bullied into committing suicide. And again with the sweeping generalizations and ad hominems.


An agenda is not always a bad thing. An agenda that includes stopping children from being bullied is a good one.




Nobody said bullying was not a problem. 


Pay attention. 

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:26PM #5
REteach
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This is an election year. If people are not aware of the consequences of their actions, particularly votes, there is a good chance we will see an uptick in suicide. 


Of course, some people probably do think that we need fewer gays anyway. We all know how they will vote.

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:29PM #6
Do_unto_others
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Thanks ReTeach.


 


When people castigate a gay person for starting too many gay threads, they're in fact projecting, and in a way telling me to STFU.


 


Oh, NOOO, there's no gay bullying going on on dear old Beliefnet.


 

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:29PM #7
mountain_man
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May 7, 2012 -- 2:26PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

Nobody said bullying was not a problem.


You did when you complained about someone mentioning it instead of actually addressing the topic. Children, grade school children, are being bullied because someone believes them to be gay. Some of those children have committed suicide. That is a problem and any "agenda" that includes putting an end to that is a good one.

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:31PM #8
Do_unto_others
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May 7, 2012 -- 2:17PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


And some people will continue to try using the misery and suicides of young people to try to drive an agenda, and shame those who might disagree with them on similar, but ultimately unrelated, topics into silence. 


Which I find repulsive. 





Mouse, People attempt to silence ME here frequently. (cf Reteach's OP)


Meanwhile, my fervent hope is that some day you will realize that the only "agenda" we "drive" is equality before the law. (You remember, that thing all people are supposed to be guaranteed.) Treat us equally, and the issue goes away.


 


Sorry you find equality "repulsive".

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:32PM #9
mainecaptain
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May 7, 2012 -- 2:31PM, Do_unto_others wrote:


May 7, 2012 -- 2:17PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


And some people will continue to try using the misery and suicides of young people to try to drive an agenda, and shame those who might disagree with them on similar, but ultimately unrelated, topics into silence. 


Which I find repulsive. 





Mouse, People attempt to silence ME here frequently. (cf Reteach's OP)


Meanwhile, my fervent hope is that some day you will realize that the only "agenda" we "drive" is equality before the law. (You remember, that thing all people are supposed to be guaranteed.) Treat us equally, and the issue goes away.


 


Sorry you find equality "repulsive".





Many people do find equality repulsive.

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Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 2:34PM #10
mytmouse57
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May 7, 2012 -- 2:29PM, mountain_man wrote:


May 7, 2012 -- 2:26PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

Nobody said bullying was not a problem.


You did when you complained about someone mentioning it instead of actually addressing the topic. Children, grade school children, are being bullied because someone believes them to be gay. Some of those children have committed suicide. That is a problem and any "agenda" that includes putting an end to that is a good one.




I wasn't complaining. And that's not what I said.


Pay attention.

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