Maryland Legalizes Gay Marriage

mountain_man

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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:33PM, arielg wrote:
It is certainly based on gender...

No, a family does not have to be based on gender.

You can be as creative as you want, but the real meaning is derived from the union of two opposites...

No, a marriage is a combination of two people. The shape of their genitals is irrelevant. A marriage is a legal contract, a property contract. It has nothing to do with children or procreation. Since you are not a part of that marriage, it's none of your business.

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shmuelgoldstein

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Feb 23, 2012 -- 10:00PM, Merope wrote:

The WaPo is reporting that the Maryland State Senate has passed a bill legalizing same sex marriage. The bill narrowly passed the House of Delegates last week. ...

They are not *legalizing* it. It was never "illegal". No one was arrested for claiming to be married in a same-sex union. It was not a criminal offense.

They are "recognizing" it and giving it state sanction and regulation.

Whereas before, a same-sex couple could do what they want, now, if they register as "married", if later the couple splits, they will have the concern of official, legal divorce to worry about. I feel sorry for them.

Ken

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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:33PM, arielg wrote:
You can be as creative as you want, but the real meaning is derived from the union of two opposites: a positive and a negative, a male and female elements, which creates a third element, a child.

Men and women aren't opposites. Where do you get this crap?

Tpaine

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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:33PM, arielg wrote:

A Family is made up of Parents or other adults and children living in one household. Single adults with children were and are families. It is not gender that makes a family; it is the relationship and caring.

It is certainly based on gender, not caring or any other characteristics. Those other unions are friendships. Fine in it's own level.

You can be as creative as you want, but the real meaning is derived from the union of two opposites: a positive and a negative, a male and female elements, which creates a third element, a child. That is what the whole marriage and family things are based on. Two positives or two negatives do not produce anything. They just imitate or make believe.

Are you saying that menopausal women or women who have had a hysterectomy or men who are impotent should not be allowed to marry because they are unable to have children? My mom had a condition that prevented her from carrying a fetus to term, so they adopted me. Should she have been forbidden to marry my dad? Marriage is not about reproduction, it is about two people who love each other and want to spend their lives together. If a couple who for one reason or another cannot reproduce can adopt children. If there were more families wanting to adopt is could possibly cut the abortion rate.

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Ken

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Mar 4, 2012 -- 9:31AM, Tpaine wrote:

Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:33PM, arielg wrote:

A Family is made up of Parents or other adults and children living in one household. Single adults with children were and are families. It is not gender that makes a family; it is the relationship and caring.

It is certainly based on gender, not caring or any other characteristics. Those other unions are friendships. Fine in it's own level.

You can be as creative as you want, but the real meaning is derived from the union of two opposites: a positive and a negative, a male and female elements, which creates a third element, a child. That is what the whole marriage and family things are based on. Two positives or two negatives do not produce anything. They just imitate or make believe.

Are you saying that menopausal women or women who have had a hysterectomy or men who are impotent should not be allowed to marry because they are unable to have children?

Yes, he is. That's what all these people who claim that marriage is about a man and a wowan making babies are saying. They're just too hypocritical to admit it.

Do_unto_others

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Mar 4, 2012 -- 4:28AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:

Feb 23, 2012 -- 10:00PM, Merope wrote:

The WaPo is reporting that the Maryland State Senate has passed a bill legalizing same sex marriage. The bill narrowly passed the House of Delegates last week. ...

They are not *legalizing* it. It was never "illegal". No one was arrested for claiming to be married in a same-sex union. It was not a criminal offense.

They are "recognizing" it and giving it state sanction and regulation.

Whereas before, a same-sex couple could do what they want, now, if they register as "married", if later the couple splits, they will have the concern of official, legal divorce to worry about. I feel sorry for them.

Why would anyone "feel sorry" for other people benefitting from equal treatment before the law? That's just spurious.

P.S. No need for smarm quotes around the word marriage. They are legal marriages.

mountain_man

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Mar 4, 2012 -- 4:28AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:
...They are "recognizing" it and giving it state sanction and regulation.

No, what's actually happening is the state is realizing that they have to provide equal protection under the law. Banning one small group from being able to legally enter a certain type of contract is not providing that equal protection.

Whereas before, a same-sex couple could do what they want, now, if they register as "married", if later the couple splits, they will have the concern of official, legal divorce to worry about. I feel sorry for them.

I feel sorry for homophobes. They're just not nice people.

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IreneAdler

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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:33PM, arielg wrote:

A Family is made up of Parents or other adults and children living in one household. Single adults with children were and are families. It is not gender that makes a family; it is the relationship and caring.



It is certainly based on gender, not caring or any other characteristics. Those other unions are friendships. Fine in it's own level.

You can be as creative as you want, but the real meaning is derived from the union of two opposites: a positive  and a negative, a male and female elements, which creates a third element, a child. That is what the whole marriage and family things are based on. Two positives or two negatives do not produce anything. They just imitate or make believe.

Certainly the couple themselves can make determination as to the quality of their relationship -friendship, lifepartner, etc. and whether they are simply 'making believe'. Otherwise this is just passing judgment upon people you know nothing about.

Irene.

Do_unto_others

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Mar 4, 2012 -- 10:44AM, IreneAdler wrote:

Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:33PM, arielg wrote:

A Family is made up of Parents or other adults and children living in one household. Single adults with children were and are families. It is not gender that makes a family; it is the relationship and caring.

It is certainly based on gender, not caring or any other characteristics. Those other unions are friendships. Fine in it's own level.

You can be as creative as you want, but the real meaning is derived from the union of two opposites: a positive and a negative, a male and female elements, which creates a third element, a child. That is what the whole marriage and family things are based on. Two positives or two negatives do not produce anything. They just imitate or make believe.

Certainly the couple themselves can make determination as to the quality of their relationship -friendship, lifepartner, etc. and whether they are simply 'making believe'. Otherwise this is just passing judgment upon people you know nothing about.

Irene.

But Irene, "passing judgment upon people you know nothing about" is the very raison d'etre of homophobes, the modus operandum of the haters. It's what they DO.

REteach

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Mar 3, 2012 -- 10:12PM, arielg wrote:

This is not hating gay people. Is is seeing the stupidity of imitation. Just be nice gays and stop pretending to be something else.

Am I reading this correctly? "Just be nice gays"?

Can someone explain to me how this differs from, say "uppity nigger", and I am using this term because it was the actual term used not all that long ago in what seems to me to be the same way as "nice gays."

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...

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