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3 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2012 - 11:52AM #31
Ebon
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Feb 24, 2012 -- 11:31AM, Girlchristian wrote:

DOMA is unconstitutional and it never should have been signed into law by Clinton no matter what his reasoning was. IMO, it's one of the biggest failures of Clinton's presidency that he didn't stand his ground, do what's right, and refuse to sign it into law.



For once, you and I are in agreement. Clinton should have vetoed it and dared Congress to override him. Singing it was arguably a bigger moral lapse than his dalliance with Monica.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2012 - 12:04PM #32
Ken
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Feb 27, 2012 -- 11:03AM, Do_unto_others wrote:


But yes, it is already too late for those who have gone before us, many at the hands of homophobes.



It's already too late for those who are still with us but are no longer of marriageable age.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 11:18AM #33
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Feb 27, 2012 -- 11:45AM, mountain_man wrote:


A society cannot change over night. 



Well, laws do change overnight. People just have to adjust to this reality.


Feb 26, 2012 -- 2:07PM, Do_unto_others wrote:

 


Justice delayed is justice denied.  



And the fact is that in both Golinski and Perry, the stays of the judgments can no longer be considered proper. Such discretionary stays are granted upon a supersedeas in which the movant must show that irreparable harm would result if the ruling were implemented and there were a reversal upon appeal. In both Golinski and Perry, harm is exactly what the defendants were unable to show in court. In the right-to-marry case, there are already 18,000 Californian same-sex couples who are married, and tens of thousands more other states. It is the delay in granting same-sex couples the right to get a marriage license and to have full benefit of the federal laws that results in irreparable harm, particularly given how these two cases work together. I have no doubt that if Golinski were about a law that took thousands of dollars directly out of the pockets of married heterosexual parents every year, there would never have been a stay in the first place.


The courts should err on the side of rights, rather than on the side of withholding rights.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 11:23AM #34
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Feb 28, 2012 -- 11:18AM, mindis1 wrote:

Well, laws do change overnight. People just have to adjust to this reality.


No, laws do not change over night. You'll just have to get used to that.

The courts should err on the side of rights, rather than on the side of withholding rights.


And it is going to take awhile for the judges and our society to realize this. You'll just have to get used to it.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 11:41AM #35
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Ten years from now, gay couples will be getting married, and nobody will notice. 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:12PM #36
mindis1
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Feb 28, 2012 -- 11:23AM, mountain_man wrote:


Feb 28, 2012 -- 11:18AM, mindis1 wrote:

Well, laws do change overnight. People just have to adjust to this reality.


No, laws do not change over night. 



What an ignorant thing to say.


About 40,000 state laws taking effect at the start of the new year will change rules about getting abortions in New Hampshire, learning about gays and lesbians in California, getting jobs in Alabama and even driving golf carts in Georgia.


Several federal rules change with the new year, too, including a Social Security increase amounting to $450 a year for the average recipients and stiff fines up to $2,700 per offense for truckers and bus drivers caught using hand-held cellphones while driving.


www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45819570/ns/us_news...


 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 1:40PM #37
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Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:12PM, mindis1 wrote:

Feb 28, 2012 -- 11:23AM, mountain_man wrote:

No, laws do not change over night.


What an ignorant thing to say.


That's bizarre. Do you actually believe that the truth is something ignorant to say?

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 12:18PM #38
Do_unto_others
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Feb 28, 2012 -- 11:41AM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Ten years from now, gay couples will be getting married, and nobody will notice. 





Why do you write in the wrong tense?


Gay people have been GETTING married for EIGHT YEARS now already. Did you not "notice"?

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 12:19PM #39
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Mar 4, 2012 -- 12:18PM, Do_unto_others wrote:


Feb 28, 2012 -- 11:41AM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Ten years from now, gay couples will be getting married, and nobody will notice. 





Why do you write in the wrong tense?


Gay people have been GETTING married for EIGHT YEARS now already. Did you not "notice"?





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3 years ago  ::  Mar 11, 2012 - 2:28PM #40
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