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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 2:39AM #1
Wanderingal
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There are a lot of complaints/boycotts going on because an openly transgendered person is going to appear on a popular tv show in the US.

The groups areself-identified as conservative.

Do people agree that it is "shameful" to allow Chaz Bono who is well known fo having been bon female and well known for having a sex change operation and procedure to appear on tv where he'll be seen by "impressionable" American children?

Is America really this conservative politically that there isn o room for diversity?

And that Conservs feel self--righteous about proclaiming boycotts and making threats of violence?

www.nytimes.com


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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 9:39AM #2
davelaw40
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that some people are not comfortable with the way they are made and take drastic measures to change themselves?- good teaching moment

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 10:22AM #3
Father_Oblivion
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Your link just goes to the NYT main page, I don't know where to go to in order to find the article you are talking about.

The important thing to remember about American history is that it is fictional, a charcoal-sketched simplicity for the children or the easily bored. For the most part it is uninspected, unimagined, unthought, a representative of the thing and not the thing itself. It is a fine fiction...
Neil Gaiman
'American Gods'

‎"Ignorance of ignorance, then, is that self-satisfied state of unawareness in which man, knowing nothing outside the limited area of his physical senses, bumptiously declares there is nothing more to know! He who knows no life save the physical is merely ignorant; but he who declares physical life to be all-important and elevates it to the position of supreme reality--such a one is ignorant of his own ignorance."
- Manly Palmer Hall
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 11:02AM #4
mecdukebec
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There was an interesting discussion of this on the Red Letter Christian/Tony Campolo page on Facebook.  Folks, as I recall, were pretty unconstipated about this--and most of those folks are probably self-described conservative Chrisitians--with the proviso that they actually do get what Jesus meant by loving one's neighbour as oneself. 


That said, no, I would not be surprised that the hostile nature of conservativism these days, in its Kulturkampf mode, would be that hostile, and self-righteous. 

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 12:00PM #5
MMarcoe
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Sep 5, 2011 -- 9:39AM, davelaw40 wrote:


that some people are not comfortable with the way they are made and take drastic measures to change themselves?- good teaching moment





No, it's that some people's brains are hardwired to read their bodies as the sex that they were not born as. It's a medical issue.

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 12:45PM #6
davelaw40
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Sep 5, 2011 -- 12:00PM, MMarcoe wrote:


Sep 5, 2011 -- 9:39AM, davelaw40 wrote:


that some people are not comfortable with the way they are made and take drastic measures to change themselves?- good teaching moment





No, it's that some people's brains are hardwired to read their bodies as the sex that they were not born as. It's a medical issue.




no, its much more like bulemia-its an image issue-they HATE the way they look

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 5:17PM #7
Ur2
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Bulemia can be treated with therapy and medicine. Why didn't Chaz think of that instead of going through this mind-boggling cure(?). Maybe NOT making a spectacle of yourself really isn't the right way to go and NO points will have to be proven. Why not just a Documentary instead of the DWTS freakshow that it has long regressed to be? Oooooooo... I remember the hell Bristol Palin caught, and her Mom.


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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 5:39PM #8
Erey
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i think it will put a more approachable face on transgendered.  Many people don't know a transgendered person or don't realize they know a transgendered person.  So for alot of people it is very odd and perhaps disturbing.  In my experience this kind of reaction is consistent across party lines and is far from the domain of one or the other party.  It seems to me that only those that are aquainted iwth transgendered people have developed a sense of ease. 


 


I could be imagining things but Chaz seems rather vunerable to me and I hope Chaz is doing the right thing for himself and can handle any negative reactions. 

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 5:48PM #9
Ur2
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DWTS has become a clown show instead of Dancing. Since when is Chaz a Star? She/he's not a Pro Dancer, so why is she/he a Star? Where does she/he fit into this DWTS equation?


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Ur2

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2011 - 6:39PM #10
MMarcoe
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Sep 5, 2011 -- 12:45PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Sep 5, 2011 -- 12:00PM, MMarcoe wrote:


Sep 5, 2011 -- 9:39AM, davelaw40 wrote:


that some people are not comfortable with the way they are made and take drastic measures to change themselves?- good teaching moment





No, it's that some people's brains are hardwired to read their bodies as the sex that they were not born as. It's a medical issue.




no, its much more like bulemia-its an image issue-they HATE the way they look





No it isn't. It's not about image. There has been actual science done on this. There is a part of the brain whose job it is to read the body and assign it a sex. In transsexuals, that part of the brain reads the body as the opposite of what the genes express it as.


Other studies have looked at exposure to hormones in prenatal development.


Whatever the cause is, it's not simply about hating the way one looks. Transsexualism cuts across many more areas of a person's life.


 


 


 

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