Aug 21, 2011 -- 1:48PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

"Conservatives" (actually right-wingers) and "Liberals" (actually left-wingers), make plenty of noise and get press these days. It has little, if anything, to do with classic conservative or liberal ideas. ..

If you have to start a posting with something that is not true, how can the rest of the post be worth reading?

"Conservatives" (actually right-wingers) and "Liberals" (actually left-wingers), make plenty of noise and get press these days. It has little, if anything, to do with classic conservative or liberal ideas. It makes it look as if the nation is extremely polarized. And in some ways, it might be.

But, as always, the vast majority of people fall somewhere in the reasonable middle. That's as true of religion as in politics.

As a very sharp person in my neck of the woods once said, "I'm as conservative as can be, when it makes sense, and liberal as can be, when that makes sense."

Most people have a live-and-let live approach to things, and that certainly applies to gay issues.

What's wearisome to many people is one side telling them gays are trying to take over the world, and the other side telling them that if they don't deny fundamental realities, then they're being "hateful."

I suspect that there are different kinds of conservatives.  The Amish, for example, are probably not all that likely to support some typically Republican conservative positions as the military and the death penalty.  Likewise, presumably not all Republican conservatives have religious beliefs based on white supremacy such as Christian Identity.  

Apparently relatively few Amish, for example, even vote.  It must be at least possible that there is a group of religious conservatives who are kind and loving parents, who understand the real meaning behind spare the rod and spoil the child. Not everybody yells and screams for their positions on the political scene. The yellers and screamers probably have an outsized effect. 

Aug 21, 2011 -- 11:07AM, pagan_princess wrote:

NOTE: Please refrain from cutting and rearranging my words to fit what you want to say.  I will notice and I will call you on it.  Thx.

I could not care less what you "call me on." I did not "rearrange" any of your post. Your original post is there for all to see, and they can see that I have not changed one word of your post. For the sake of brevity I deleted the parts I did not care to respond to. If that is not to your satisfaction, too bad.

Aug 21, 2011 -- 10:45AM, mountain_man wrote:

Aug 21, 2011 -- 9:13AM, pagan_princess wrote:

Liberal seems to be a favorite word on this thread.  A little history lesson about liberals.....

All reasons I proudly wear the label of Bleeding Heart Liberal. I care more about people than I do politics. I care more about people than I do money.

This country needs BOTH bleeding heart liberals and right wing conservatives.  They balance each other.  Unfortunately neither side seems to realize that.  They are so busy pointing fingers and yelling they don’t realize how much time and taxpayer money they waste.  And one side is no better than the other.  Whoever is in power refuses to cross the aisle and whoever isn’t in power whines about not being invited to the party.  IMO they are two sides of the same coin.

Thankfully the power in this country is being transformed into powerful moderates!  The majority of votes cast are cast by moderates.  That means to get elected to a national office in this country you HAVE to bring in the moderates.

I am glad you are a nice bleeding heart liberal, but not all bleeding heart liberal are nice.