Ummm, NO I am quite sure you are very wrong about this. But hey why don't I stick around a bit longer so you and your friends can make shitty, assholeish comments about what a homophobe I am? Sounds like a blast to me!
The SCIENTISTS DID declare bisexuality in men to be mostly an untruth - hence the more recent follow up study that over-rode the "findings". And according to penty of articles I read the homosexuality community tended to go along in lock step with it
From the article:
Bisexual men won't likely be surprised — or feel particularly validated — to learn that a new scientific study confirms that their sexual attraction to both men and women is real. But the findings may help enlighten those who still subscribe to the stereotype that bisexual men are just closeted homosexuals, or simply confused.
And I can find only one study from 2005 that ever came close to suggesting bisexuality didn't exist. Hardly something to hang "scientific wisdom" on. Although properly done studies can be important, if they are not repeatable, then the scientific community doesn't pay much attention to them.
And please, clean up your language if you wish to debate with me. I do not use foul language, I find it offensive and I generally don't debate with people who do not respond to me in kind. Furthermore, I've only made one statement that could possibly be considered derogatory to you. I said "grow up", which was prompted by your behavior, not your opinions.
Most people do not see the world as it is. They see it as they are.
The finding is not likely to surprise bisexuals, who have long asserted that attraction often is not limited to one sex. But for many years the question of bisexuality has bedeviled scientists. A widely publicized study published in 2005, also by researchers at Northwestern, reported that “with respect to sexual arousal and attraction, it remains to be shown that male bisexuality exists.”
That conclusion outraged bisexual men and women, who said it appeared to support a stereotype of bisexual men as closeted homosexuals.
I like what the bisexual lady in the article said:
Sexual arousal is a very complicated thing,” she said. “The real phenomenon in day-to-day life is extraordinarily messy and multifactorial.”
Especially the part about sexuality being MULTIFACTORIAL
I will give you that many gay people do question bisexuality (not all mind you, but a good number). The reason behind that is so many gay people claim bisexuality before accepting themselves as gay.
Most people do not see the world as it is. They see it as they are.
HEre is the thing, like less than two weeeks ago the "scientists" declared that there IS such a thing as a bisexual man. See about two weeks ago the wisdom was that there really was no such a thing as a TRUE bisexual man or if there were such a thing they were so rare as to be statisticaly irrelevant. A bisexual man was probably just a gay man. YOu probably noticed some of the same articles out there too. If I am shocking you I can probably find a link or two for you.
That is not true. Men tend to be one or the other, but can be bi. However, claiming to be bisexual is also a common stepping stone to men who are coming out to themselves. Have you studied statistics?
They had done these studies where they took all these men who claimed to be bisexual and hooked sensors up to their penises and showed different kinds of porn to see what truly got them arroused (fun study). They discoverd that the "bisexual men" did not have bisexual penises, meaning you probably guessed they only went up for the gay male porn.
That is not true. They were homophobic "straight" men. Maybe you ought to read the study? I have.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
HEre is the thing, like less than two weeeks ago the "scientists" declared that there IS such a thing as a bisexual man. See about two weeks ago the wisdom was that there really was no such a thing as a TRUE bisexual man or if there were such a thing they were so rare as to be statisticaly irrelevant. A bisexual man was probably just a gay man. YOu probably noticed some of the same articles out there too. If I am shocking you I can probably find a link or two for you.
That is not true. Men tend to be one or the other, but can be bi. However, claiming to be bisexual is also a common stepping stone to men who are coming out to themselves. Have you studied statistics?
They had done these studies where they took all these men who claimed to be bisexual and hooked sensors up to their penises and showed different kinds of porn to see what truly got them arroused (fun study). They discoverd that the "bisexual men" did not have bisexual penises, meaning you probably guessed they only went up for the gay male porn.
That is not true. They were homophobic "straight" men. Maybe you ought to read the study? I have.
Again, the scientists two weeks ago said they were wrong, that bisexuality in men does exist. In July they were saying that if it does exist it is statisticaly irrelevant because it is too small a number
Now that they know better how they did it wrongly they are more able to see clearly and know that "true" (their term) bisexuality does exist in men and it is relevant.
Clearly I am the only one who read the study. And I read the same study and had the same conclusions that the bisexual advocates did. In fact, the bisexual advocates and I have the same take-away. So I DID READ THE STUDY.
Again, my point to bringing this whole minor event up at all is to portray how superficial our understanding of sexuality is at certain points. It is so shallow I don't think we can run around declaring that people who have a homosexual past but claim to be heterosexual now as liars or self-hating homosexuals.
Nobody here has said there are no bisexual men. People here have said a lot of gay men claim to be bisexual while they are coming out. A lot of those who claim that ARE gay men who know exactly what they did. Statistically, women are more likely to be bisexual and men are more likely to be either/or. "More likely" and "statistically" do not mean black and white.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
I recently read about a research study testing the validity of the "5 second rule". Why anyone would do that, I don't know. Was there someone who really believed that the 5 second rule was true? Who would think there are no bisexual men? The healthcare profession certainly knows there are bisexual men. There are oodles of research reports referencing bisexual men.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
Aha. We are talking about 2 different studies. The most recent one required men claiming to be bisexual to have had romantic relationships at least 3 months long with members of either sex, not just sexual relations, which may have made it easier to sort the true bisexuals from those who claim to be bi for social reasons. They also recruited from a bisexual site, rather than a gay site.
The authors said "The current study establishes that some bisexual men have bisexual arousal patterns. Accepting the centrality of sexual arousal patterns in understanding male sexual orientation, this suggests that indeed, some men have a bisexual orientation. It does not, however, establish whether all, or even most, bisexual-identified men have arousal patterns that correspond with their sexual identity."
Another study from March 2011 found "A sample of 59 men (19 homosexual, 13 bisexual, and 27 heterosexual) were presented with a series of 4-min sexual videos while their genital and subjective sexual responses were measured continuously. Bisexual men did not differ significantly in their responses to male homosexual stimuli (depicting men engaging in sex) from homosexual men, and they did not differ significantly in their responses to heterosexual (depicting two women, without same-sex contact, engaged in sex with a man) and lesbian (depicting women engaging in sex) stimuli from heterosexual men. However, bisexual men displayed significantly higher levels of both genital and subjective sexual arousal to a bisexual stimulus (depicting a man engaged in sex with both a man and a woman) than either homosexual or heterosexual men. The findings of this study indicate that bisexuality in men is associated with a unique and specific pattern of sexual arousal." In this study the men rated themselves and there was no requirement for romantic relationships.
Reiger in 1995 (also from Northwestern) may not have seen a response because recruitment was from gay papers and an alternative paper.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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