As long as you don't start saying what the "right path" is, Sirron. ;)
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells, While hammers fell like ringing bells In places deep, where dark things sleep, In hollow halls beneath the fells.
For ancient king and elvish lord There many a gloaming golden hoard They shaped and wrought, and light they caught To hide in gems on hilt of sword. - J.R.R. Tolkien
When are you ever going to realize you are stuck up in a tree? The only difference between the tree you find yourself in and the one REteach finds herself in is the name carved in the trunk. Yours says MCC...hers says RCC...but they are both trees.
Neither is the path. The path winds between and around them...not up them.
I've been on a journey to nowhere... and know that's the best place to be... now...here...
If my faith isn't leading me inward, then my faith is leading me astray.
Of course, we could also go much further back and call the establishment of the Mattachine Society as the beginning of the gay liberation movement in the early fifties, I believe, but then again, that would be pretty America-centric, and it would ignore the very active (but mostly underground) gay movement in Europe, specifically Germany in the thirties.
Sirron, I know you love to nitpick/rage against "The Church" (TM, all rights reserved ;{O), but I just typed a fact. MCC's founding does predate Stonewall. And, as you likely know, it still exists today, and exists in about 27 countries. Now, I realize that even those facts may trouble you, but it reaches a pretty broad 'audience' if you will. It has played a very prominent role in changing what the WORLD thinks about gay people, and for the good, I think. The first legally recognized same-gender marriage was done in an MCC. It changed the way we are perceived internationally. Again, for the good, imo.
DUO,
While I recognize the MCC has been a leader in improving the lives and plight of gay Americans, they did not provide the catalyst that launched the gay rights movement. They did not bring the gay community together in a broad and united way. ONLY the riots of Stonewall provided that catalyst.
I know it's important for Christians like you to give credit to your pathetic religion for things it has not accomplished
And by the way...there is absolutely nothing "nit-picky" or "raging" about stating the truths. There is also absolutley nothing "nit-picky" or "raging" about pointing out that the Christian religion has never had ANYTHING remotely to do with the teachings of a man named Jesus and everything to do with deluding the hearts and minds of as many people as it can.
As for the MCC and it "changing the way the world perceives gay people". Give me a f**king break. Gay people and a few non-gay people are the only people who have ever heard of this, yet another, splinter of the Christian religion...and not every gay person knows who or what the MCC is. You Christians do so love to give credit where absolutely zero is due.
Of course, we could also go much further back and call the establishment of the Mattachine Society as the beginning of the gay liberation movement in the early fifties, I believe, but then again, that would be pretty America-centric, and it would ignore the very active (but mostly underground) gay movement in Europe, specifically Germany in the thirties.
Sirron, I know you love to nitpick/rage against "The Church" (TM, all rights reserved ;{O), but I just typed a fact. MCC's founding does predate Stonewall. And, as you likely know, it still exists today, and exists in about 27 countries. Now, I realize that even those facts may trouble you, but it reaches a pretty broad 'audience' if you will. It has played a very prominent role in changing what the WORLD thinks about gay people, and for the good, I think. The first legally recognized same-gender marriage was done in an MCC. It changed the way we are perceived internationally. Again, for the good, imo.
It's been FORTY YEARS since the Stonewall Riots--IE since the inception of the Gay Rights movement.
A slight correction: The Metropolitan Community Church was founded in the fall of 1968 - a YEAR before the Stonewall 'riots'.
Most scholars would say that was the beginning of the gay rights movement.
Maybe in the minds of Christian scholars.
The vast majority of IMPARTIAL scholars agree the modern gay rights movement began AT STONEWALL...not because a bunch of gay Christians formed a church a year before.
" It goes against human nature to expect or demand change quickly"
It's been FORTY YEARS since the Stonewall Riots--IE since the inception of the Gay Rights movement.
How much longer do you think we ought to delay Gays having their FULL Constitutional Rights just like everyone else in the US?
Have we learned NOTHING from the Civil Rights and Women's movements?
Is no one else ashamed and embarrassed that MEXICO --which many consider to be a "Third world country"--grants Gays their full equality--and we don't?
It has nothing to do with learning. People need something to irrationally hate, and gay people are it. Those here who keep defending such immoral behaviour towards gay people want it to never change, they are running out of types of people to legally abuse.
I have heard on Radio some 15 years ago more than one talk show host were calling for gays to be executed. One of them even read the obituaries of AIDS victims on the air and pretty much said they got what they deserved.
For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary. For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.
St. Thomas Aquinas
If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
