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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 9:32PM #1
TENAC
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So since we havent discussed it, but everyone is familiar.

obama by decree has decided not to enforce a law duly passed by a congressional super majority and signed into law.

But he has problems with it.  So he has ordered his justice department that they will no longer defend it. 


Obama administration will no longer defend DOMA 


So does this set a precedent for future presidents to follow?

obama is absolutely destroying this country.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 9:41PM #2
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Feb 25, 2011 -- 9:32PM, TENAC wrote:

So since we havent discussed it, but everyone is familiar.

obama by decree has decided not to enforce a law duly passed by a congressional super majority and signed into law.

But he has problems with it.  So he has ordered his justice department that they will no longer defend it. 


Obama administration will no longer defend DOMA 


So does this set a precedent for future presidents to follow?

obama is absolutely destroying this country.

Hurry 2012.


Point of fact, the Federal Government will continue to "enforce" DOMA.  What the Justice Dept has said is they will no longer defend DOMA in court.  There is a difference.


Did you question the actions of Bush, Clinton (yea, probably ;-)...), Reagan, etc?


“George W. Bush (ACLU et al., v. Norman Y. Mineta – “The U.S. Department of Justice has notified Congress that it will  not defend a law prohibiting the display of marijuana policy reform ads  in public transit systems.”), Bill Clinton (Dickerson v. United States – “Because the Miranda decision is of constitutional dimension,  Congress may not legislate a contrary rule unless this Court were to  overrule Miranda…. Section 3501 cannot constitutionally authorize the  admission of a statement that would be excluded under this Court’s  Miranda cases.”), George HW Bush (Metro Broadcasting v. Federal  Communications Commission), and Ronald Reagan (INS v./ Chadha – “Chadha then filed a petition for review of the deportation order in  the Court of Appeals, and the INS joined him in arguing that § 244(c)(2)  is unconstitutional.”) all joined in lawsuits opposing federal laws  that they didn’t like, laws that they felt were unconstitutional.”

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 9:58PM #3
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DOMA violates the First Amendment, it should be struck down.


If Congress can be allowed to regulate marriage like this then there is no stopping them from interfering with the family in other ways.


Not only are GLBT people having their rights violated but other religions outside of mainstream Christianity are having their rights violated. 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 10:21PM #4
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Feb 25, 2011 -- 9:58PM, Roodog wrote:

If Congress can be allowed to regulate marriage like this then there is no stopping them from interfering with the family in other ways.


That's right. Pretty soon divorce, sex before marriage, birth control, non-vaginal intercourse, and a whole host of other "anti-family" and anti-Christian practices (or at least anti-Catholic, since the liberal Protestants appear to accept most if not all of the things I listed above) will be condemned and outlawed by the government.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 10:35PM #5
TENAC
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Feb 25, 2011 -- 9:58PM, Roodog wrote:


DOMA violates the First Amendment, it should be struck down.


If Congress can be allowed to regulate marriage like this then there is no stopping them from interfering with the family in other ways.


Not only are GLBT people having their rights violated but other religions outside of mainstream Christianity are having their rights violated. 


 





whewww...ok, how does it violate the 1st amdmt?

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 10:36PM #6
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Islam and  some traditional religions have long allowed polygamy, as did the early LDS.


I am sure that the imposition of monogamy violates their First Amendment Rights.


The First Commandment forbids the worship of any God but YHWH, The Seventh Commandment forbids pre and extramarital sex including LGBT conduct


The First Amendment forbids our Government  from upholding the Ten Commandments as US Law. (except for murder and theft)  


I personally follow the Ten Commandments but it ought not be made mandatory by US law.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 10:38PM #7
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Feb 25, 2011 -- 10:35PM, TENAC wrote:

Feb 25, 2011 -- 9:58PM, Roodog wrote:


DOMA violates the First Amendment, it should be struck down.


If Congress can be allowed to regulate marriage like this then there is no stopping them from interfering with the family in other ways.


Not only are GLBT people having their rights violated but other religions outside of mainstream Christianity are having their rights violated. 


 





whewww...ok, how does it violate the 1st amdmt?


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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 10:46PM #8
TENAC
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Feb 25, 2011 -- 10:38PM, Roodog wrote:

Feb 25, 2011 -- 10:35PM, TENAC wrote:


Feb 25, 2011 -- 9:58PM, Roodog wrote:


DOMA violates the First Amendment, it should be struck down.


If Congress can be allowed to regulate marriage like this then there is no stopping them from interfering with the family in other ways.


Not only are GLBT people having their rights violated but other religions outside of mainstream Christianity are having their rights violated. 


 





whewww...ok, how does it violate the 1st amdmt?




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That hasnt been challenged, and since it is then your opinion, I disagree with mine.


It is been ruled against based on the 14th amendment (equal protection) implicating the 5th.


If that case makes it to the Supremes, I think it will be overturned due to the context of the 14th (slavery.  Somehow the judge made the jump from equal protection for slavery to gay rights to marry). 


The purpose of DOMA was to insure that if one state wished to recognize same sex unions as marriage, other states were not obligated to do so (recognize same sex marriages from other states into their own).

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 25, 2011 - 11:19PM #9
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I am no fan of SSM whatsoever. Those who know me know that this is so.


However, The law against polygamy and other forms of marriage interfere with the free exercise of religion which violates the letter and intent of the First Amendment.


Islam is a religion which is known to practice polygamy and fully allows it. It can be argued that DOMA is deliberately being used to as a means to persecute Muslims in this country and the current anti Muslim feelings are bouying up this law.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2011 - 12:09AM #10
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This young man says it so well.  Listen up and understand gay families are not that different from heterosexual families.

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