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10 months ago  ::  Aug 29, 2011 - 4:16PM #1751
Do_unto_others
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Never before has so much ignorance been shown and time, energy and money wasted by so many to deny equal rights to so few.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2011 - 8:08PM #1750
Do_unto_others
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Bump.


 


The chart above is too good to miss.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 12:01AM #1749
Do_unto_others
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What Did Jesus Say About Gay Marriage?


See the chart at link: lamatpress.com/jesus-flowchart

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 04, 2011 - 11:25PM #1748
Do_unto_others
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Republicans should be as much or more in favor of gay marriage than that other political party because the law imposes substantial obligations upon married couples, including the important duty to support and care for a non-working spouse upon divorce. Bringing gays into marital unions should also serve to promote stability in gay romantic relationships, which in turn benefits the community as a whole.


 


It should be noted that it was a Republican-controlled legislature that brought same-gender marriage to NY State. The times they are a-changing.

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11 months ago  ::  Aug 04, 2011 - 11:24PM #1747
Do_unto_others
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And, as to the  OUTCOME of such parenting ...


"Furthermore—because this question often gets asked or an incorrect answer is just assumed–children raised in lesbian families are no more or less likely than those raised in other environments to themselves be homosexual:



Researchers in the same study found only 2.8 percent of kids raised by lesbians identify themselves as homosexual. That’s about the same percent of homosexuals in the overall population.


via Absolutely No – As in Zero – Cases of Abuse Reported in Lesbian Families – ParentDish. "


 


(Also from the Forbes piece.)


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11 months ago  ::  Aug 04, 2011 - 11:19PM #1746
Do_unto_others
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As to the quality of that parenting, here's an excerpt from a Forbes article ...


"Same-sex couples adopt and use assisted reproductive technologies, just like many heter0sexual couples, because what they are in is a union open to children. Furthermore, the research on the outcome of same-sex parenting clearly documents that these are people in loving unions open to children.



The Williams Institute, a research center on sexual orientation law and public policy at UCLA School of Law, announces new findings from the U.S. National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study (NLLFS), the longest-running study ever conducted on American lesbian families (now in its 24th year) …. The paper finds that none of the 78 NLLFS adolescents report having ever been physically or sexually abused by a parent or other caregiver. This contrasts with 26% of American adolescents who report parent or caregiver physical abuse and 8.3% who report sexual abuse.


via New Published Report Finds 0% of Adolescents Raised by Lesbians Have Been Physically or Sexually Abused by Parents.


 


Link: blogs.forbes.com/toddessig/2011/06/27/wh...


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11 months ago  ::  Aug 04, 2011 - 11:16PM #1745
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abcnews.go.com/Health/sex-couples-census...


"An estimated one-quarter of all same-sex households are raising children, according to U.S. Census data, providing one of the first portraits of gay American families.


For the first time ever, the census counts same-sex couples and their children, and as data trickles out state by state, more gay families are being tallied in the South.


Just last week, reports from Hawaii and Alabama -- two very different states geographically and socially -- revealed that 27 and 23 percent of same-sex couples were raising children, respectively, according to an analysis by the Williams Institute, a UCLA School of Law think tank that focuses on lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender issues.


Data released today on five more states showed that 28 percent of families in Wyoming are raising children. In California, the percentage is 21 percent; Delaware, 19 percent; Kansas, 26 percent; and Pennsylvania, 20 percent."


Much more at link.


Another myth bites the dust.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 19, 2011 - 4:27PM #1744
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TPaine, I hate to say this but there are an awful lot of people who are not going to understand that well written and sensible essay.


Regardless thank you for posting it. It is true


I love the last bit, "over his own body" If that were only so, or at least allowed to be so

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 19, 2011 - 2:27PM #1743
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I think John Stuart Mill had the right idea:

"The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinions of others, to do so would be wise, or even right These are good reasons for remonstrating with him, or reasoning with him, or persuading him or entreating him, but not for compelling him, or visiting him with any evil, in case he do otherwise. To justify that, the conduct from which it is desired to deter him must be calculated to produce evil to some one else. The only part of the conduct of any one, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign." -- John Stuart Mill: On Liberty, Chapter 1 (1859)


"The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs." -- Justice William Brennan: Speech to the Text and Teaching Symposium at Georgetown University,(October 12, 1985)
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 19, 2011 - 12:50PM #1742
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It is sad that merely being alive is not considered to be valuable. But I have noticed the conservative bigoted bent, does not respect life anyway. Even those they pretend to approve of

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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