8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 5:52PM #221 | |
Yep and seeing this, FYI, I would consider you a friend, as a gay man. As I said when agreeing with Erey, it is Acts that which I judge on. I wouldn't be able to consider you very close though. I also think this is why you didn't answer my question (even though for me it was tongue in cheek). You knew it was acts, which in MLK Jr made clear :). EDIT: GC I do not know if this is their motivation but in my religion the tenets of Love, Respect and Humbleness would require I do remind you of things you say you believe; even if I do not believe the Bible myself. Because I have read the Bible and it being the majority faith I am well aware of many of its tenets, it is only out of love first, second respect for your held faith, and lastly a humbleness to concede this is what you believe and is equally valid as mine. That reminding you of your own faith is merely out of practicing my own. I would be led to believe Christians would do the same by "Loving thy neighbor as thyself" if they were to correct me. Just most don't know much of anything about Creek Tradition lol. |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 5:54PM #222 | |
ChristianLib; this shows a progress though and I agree that it would make me ponder why it's important to you? But these people who Hold their beliefs also do so on other social issues whereby it no longer is in a realm of public discourse but now one of Theological or Spiritual for Christians (as we have seen the Lutherans do recently). |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:01PM #223 | |
I thought and used my imagination where I hit a co-worker because they were irritating me so much but did not act on it. Instead I used a mechanism we all do, our Imaginations. You know like when we were children. In Erey's posts, I pointed out, her difference in opinion appears, she believes it to be a choice. I am gay and let me tell you, that line of thought is VERY hard to change. Though I know Erey votes strongly Republican (I have heard she supported a Democratic candidate before, but she's like me in reverse, I need a good reason) so her choice in the booth of a candidate creates an act where discrimination of GLBT people happens, even if her own conviction it is wrong, she just holds "other" issues of more value. Again, this is VERY hard to change and others to understand. Meghan McCain is a prime example of how difficult one is even ostracized by their own party for taking a different stance (Politically). It's a cultural battle and the old people are losing. This is also what MLK Jr was talking about and we all know what happened in the 60s and 50s. |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:04PM #224 | |
Again, I would warn about the foolishness of trying to lump "the Christians." You may speak, reasonably, about individuals, even about specific groups, but there simply never has been, and is not now, any way to truthfully paint "The Christians" with a single brush.
Democrats think the glass is half full.
Republicans think the glass is theirs. Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it. |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:15PM #225 | |
Is this directed at me? And I checked my posts, the only point I generalized was in reference to Christians having that discussion. The Reason I said it like that is, in the case of what Christian churches and people want to consider sin, it's among Christians to decide. As even though I could read the Bible all day long, not professing I believe in it, makes my arguments seem only in an objectivity and not genuine. It doesn't help further a long anything. I would feel similar if a Christian were to remark to me of the Commonly Held Belief across many native traditonials it's natural, explaining how we're in err. This was discussed among nations prior to colonialism and after. See Two Spirited people. It just wouldn't be genuine. |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:22PM #226 | |
I am a bisexual woman. I am also pagan, so I respectfully ask those of you who believe being LGBT is a sin, and that it's only a sin if you act upon it; Doesn't Jesus say in the bible that the sin starts in the thinking? Doesn't Jesus say if a man thinks about killing his brother, but does not, he is as guilty of murder as if he had done it? Is this arguement not the same? I live in Minnesota, and am a Vikings fan, so YES I do wear purple to support the minnesota vikings, but otherwise my purple is very limited in my closet. I was the victim of bullies as a kid, why? Because I was openly bi? NO. Because I was different. I couldn't walk when I started school due to having too many seizures when I was little. Who ever came up with the color purple for the gay community anyway? Sorry Rant over. Blessings. |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:22PM #227 | |
I was trying to figure out why you said to me "this shows progress" And your statement that you "pondered why it was important to me."
If I misunderstood, I'm sorry. But other than the way I took it, your post was really unclear to me.
Democrats think the glass is half full.
Republicans think the glass is theirs. Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it. |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:27PM #228 | |
OH I am sorry, I didn't make it clear that I whole heartedly agree with your question and sentiments! And the rest was directed at those with those beliefs. I was trying to say, I agreed with you and that this is definitely a discussion that would be needed to be conducted among Christian-to-Christian at their churches. You are Christian too, but I don't think over the forum you two would "get some where", when I was a teen I read the Sexual Orientation Debate forum and in all those years of lurking and post later, no one changed their stances. Also, I was trying to relay, this was a Progess in general for Americans in their understanding on the issue. Who hold that belief. Am I clearer? EDITED twice. |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:33PM #229 | |
I prefer to pin them down, in that: This Religion, supposedly based on the teachings of Jesus the Christ, nowhere does the reported statements (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John) does Jesus address this subject.
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Mike/NAFOD "Lord, please, protect me from Your followers!" "WWBD? Buddha- Does it matter? If you are enlightened it does not. If you are not enlightened it still doesn't matter." "If you go looking to place blame, eventually you'll wind up blaming the Gods" |
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8 years ago :: Oct 21, 2010 - 6:52PM #230 | |
Even conceding that in Romans and Timothy it is speaking of homosexuals;
Why concede an untruth?
Democrats think the glass is half full.
Republicans think the glass is theirs. Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it. |
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