May 28, 2010 -- 2:43PM, Christianlib wrote:

He confuses the statement "Hitler sucked" with "Hitler was gay."

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks CL, I needed that today!

May 28, 2010 -- 4:28PM, Do_unto_others wrote:

May 28, 2010 -- 12:48PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

May 28, 2010 -- 11:24AM, TemplarS wrote:

Hey, Hitler's armies swept over Europe- if gays were their secret weapon, maybe when DADT goes away, we can finally manage to off the Taliban. 

 

The Wehrmarcht -- the Luftwaffe, Heer, Krigesmarine and Waffen SS -- went off and fought the war. Hitler's Brownshirts, or bodyguards, just stayed at home, terrorizing and brutalizing civilians.

But again, as far as I know, homosexuality was forbidden in any part of the German military or paramilitary at the time. Hitler himself might have been a closet homosexual, as has been noted here. But, he and his Brownshirt buddies sure murdered a lot of homosexuals.

mtm,

 

Lest I be accusesd of NEVER acknowledging when you post terrific stuff, let me congratulate you here and now for this post. NO sarcasm. No irony. Just undiluted praise.

 

Perhaps you could, with this post, disavow Girl"Christian" of her silly notions about "The Pink Swastika".

 

Again, thank you.

 

And now, to address your finnal point:

May 28, 2010 -- 12:48PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

So, to say he had a "secret gay army" around him is stupid -- not to mention totally irrelevant to DADT.

The problem is the evangelical "Christian" conservative Republican "right" WANT people to think it IS relevant to DADT. You know, 'queers = Hitler/Nazis'. Same old same old as 'queers = beastialists/child reapists/necrophiliacs'. They WANT people to think of those things when they think of God's gay and lesbian children. (That's why I call them lieing hate-mongers.) They're simply trying to scare people with this lieing bullsh!t so that they can continnue unjust, unfair, un-American discrimination.

So one guy repeats what a historian and a researcher said and that means "the evangelical christian conservative republican right want people think it is relevant to DADT"? Me thinks someone only knows how to use huge generalizations to make their point.

Whether Hitler is a homosexual or surrounded himself with homosexuals has nothing to do with DADT and whether or not it should be repealed.

May 28, 2010 -- 6:05PM, Girlchristian wrote:

So one guy repeats what a historian and a researcher said and that means "the evangelical christian conservative republican right want people think it is relevant to DADT"?

Yes. Absolutely.

Me thinks someone only knows how to use huge generalizations to make their point.

I agree. Why do you continue to do so?

May 28, 2010 -- 6:05PM, Girlchristian wrote:

So one guy repeats what a historian and a researcher said and that means "the evangelical christian conservative republican right want people think it is relevant to DADT"? Me thinks someone only knows how to use huge generalizations to make their point.

Reading comprehension 101 for you, GC. That "guy" is "Top social conservative Bryan Fischer (the head of a Christian conservative group the American Family Association).

That means he REPRESENTS "the evangelical Christian conservative republican 'right'". He said it on a radio broadcast in response to the Congressional vote on DADT. He DOES want people to make that association which is why he made that association. Hardly a "huge generalization.

And it's by no means only "one guy"  on the far, radical "right" "religious" nutwing fringe coming up with kooky scare tactics that are DIRECTLY "relevant to DADT" (well, actually, they aren't, but these desperate religiosos shure are trying to make it look that way) ...

"Far Religious Right Group, Headed by Cliff Kincaid, Says if DADT Repealed "Gay Blood" Will Taint Military" (Link: blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com/2010/... )

Cliff Kinkaid of American’s Survival, Inc produced a ten minute video claiming that “Disease tainted gay blood harms our troops.” His recent column is entitled “Save Our Soldiers from Gay Death.”

Lost on Mr. Kincaid is the fact that all would-be soldiers must undergo mandatory HIV screening and are not allowed to serve if the results show they are positive. (Which means that he - an avowed "Christian" - is  either ignorant or lieing (aka bearing false witness, aka a "sin"). Or both. He WANTS people to think of gays as "disease[d]" and as "tainted" - it's WHY he uses those words. Get it yet?

And I haven't even got to the lies of the Fambly "Research" Council's (that JohnQ references above) about gay soldiers = rapists. See how they make those (not-so) subtle 'connections/associations yet, GC? Frankly, I think they do about as much "research" as you did when you quoted from "The Pink Swastika" - hey, maybe YOU want us to make those associations with gays and Nazis too. Naaaw, couldn't possibly be, eh?)

Dec 31, 1969 -- 6:00PM, Girlchristian wrote:

Whether Hitler is a homosexual or surrounded himself with homosexuals has nothing to do with DADT and whether or not it should be repealed.

Agreed, but you miss/ignore the point, GC, which I will reiterate here: "the evangelical christian conservative republican right want people think it is relevant to DADT". THEY are the very people making these, er 'points'.

And to think they did it all in high heels.....!this whole fantasy that all the Brown Shirts were gay is ridiculous and unprovable. It's ironic that Hitler was supposed to be a homosexual and that his niece committed suicide because they had an incestuous relationship. At least the story about his favorite niece was making the rounds during the war so it at least happened while Hitler was alive. Let's see, he was supposed to have only one testicle. As Kissinger put it at a time when he had gorgeous women failing all over him "Power is an sphrodesiac'.

Directly after WWII was officially over, it was amazing how few "nazis" or even veterans seemed to be. My history teacher in HS had been a foreign exchange student living with a family in Berlin. His foster father claimed he was the only officer who admitted  actually being one after the war ended.If you wanted to be promoted, you joined the Nazi Party. (As a long-time Mel Brooks fan, his line "Don't be stupid, be a scmartie, come und join the Nazi party" is running through my head.) On the other hand, if Hitler was gay, Brooks changing his name to Adolph Elizabeth Hitler may have been correct.

How long could anyone who was an "ex" lover  of Hitler's expect to live when you could be sent to the Russian Front? Someone needed money and got it. Even Eisenhower's driver during WWII had a reason for not including any ..."intimate encounters" and it wasn't her delicacy. She was dying from cancer and her family needed the money. I've read the book more than once and there is a lot of suggestion involved but not much substance. There was  even a picture of Mamie reading it in bed with chocolates and laughing at it.

 I don't doubt that were gays in the Brown Shirts or that young boys were molested.but Hitler would have been frothing  at the mouth to think his elie force was homosexual... it would have clashed with the pure Aryan ideals he was pushing.