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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 2:46PM #11
mountain_man
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May 10, 2010 -- 2:24PM, Do_unto_others wrote:

No, they use it as a means to HIDE their own sexual issues. "Deal with them"??? That's a laff and a half.



These people point at others so no one will look at the pointer. It's seems they're not very bright either; they keep getting caught.

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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 3:18PM #12
rangerken
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I am always very suspicious of anyone who tries to make what people do to and with each other in private (assuming consenting adults and no force naturally) an issue. Personally I just don't care, see no reason to care, and have never understood how an individual's sexuality is anything other than that individual's personal preference and private business. It does seem to be true that those who scream loudest about this sort of thing have often very questionable motives, and not infrequently something to hide. The best thing to do is to ignore them unless they try to infringe on others' freedoms...then squash them...figuratively speaking.


As a Libertarian, this is entirely my political doctrine speaking.


As a conservative, minding one's own business, and keeping others, most certainly including government out of that business is within that doctrine.


As an Episcopalian, I really doubt that Jesus much cares as long as people express their love and care honestly, do not coerce or force others, and live decent lives in terms of dealing honestly with others, etc.


This is one issue on which conservatives like me and liberals like mountain_man, and others, can totally agree!


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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 3:38PM #13
mountain_man
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May 10, 2010 -- 3:18PM, rangerken wrote:

...This is one issue on which conservatives like me and liberals like mountain_man, and others, can totally agree!



You and I may agree on this, but conservatives/Republicans do not. Look at the history of the Republican style conservatives since Reagan; they are definitely NOT for personal freedom. They demand smaller government involvement in business but demand more government interference in your personal life. They use the code words "family values" as a euphemism for accepting ONLY their bizarre version of the christian religion.


Just look at the opposition to homosexuality; it's almost entirely made up of fundamentalist christians and conservatives. Your being in the minority does not cancel the fact that the majority of conservatives will not agree with you on this.


I've also seen people claim to not be homophobic and claim they don't care but then rail against gay marriage, gay adoption, and any kind of gay rights.

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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 4:05PM #14
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Right on this very page of the forum, obviously sanctioned by b'net, is an anti-rights, homophobic ad, using a VERY unflattering picture of Rep. Barney Frank, and the loaded question, "Do you believe homosexuals deserve special rights?"


It's one of those "fake survey" ads, and as such, not only biased, but a basic lie.  THAT is the style and the position of conservatives and the right on this issue.


And no, I don't believe anyone deserves "special" rights.  I do believe they deserve the rights all of us enjoy.  As long as we're speaking out against "special" rights, let's speak out against those demanded by the religious right.

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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 4:20PM #15
rangerken
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I agree with Christianlib. Equal rights means just that. The religious right needs to be figuratively slapped down...and so do other groups that either oppose equal rights or ask for special rights, set asides, quotas, or anything that discriminates based upon anything except proven, demonstrated, job or position related merit. And I most certainly don't care for Congressman Frank...but NOT because he's gay. That's his private business. I don't agree with his politics and on that basis I would love to see him be defeated in November. However, given his district, I think his seat in congress is secure.


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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 4:42PM #16
karbie
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I called him a politician simply  because he's pandering to those groups whose religious bias can't seem to keep their nose out of everyone else's freedoms. Homosexuals don't need to be cured; they need to be accepted. Not everyone comes wired the same way, and the idea that they can be fixed is as ludicrous as the theory that you could cure someone of being left-handed by forcing them to use the right hand.


Or the cruelties inflicted on students before dyslexia was able to be diagnosed. My brother-in-law and my niece are both dyslexic. before teachers considered these students as being lazy unmotivated and able to do the work if they'd just apply themselves. And that shaming them would give them the magic ability to have all those letters make sense just like they did for everyone else.


Since there are homosexual animals besides humans, it must not bother God that much. I think too many homophobes confuse homosexuals with pedophiles, (not helped by all the pedophile priests, but many of them went by targets of opportunity)or that somehow they can convert straight people and turn them into homosexuals. Or worst of all--that one of those liberal, immoral unGodly homosexuals will want to have sex with them.


Fact is--not all homosexuals are raging sex maniacs. Nor will it harm a child to be raised by two loving same sex parents. It seems to me that they would be much safer with parents than in foster homes. If a child was being raised by a mother/aunt, mother/grandmother home it doesn't automatically affect the child's sexuality. Same for father/uncle, father /grandfather or other combinations. How many Disney films even have a mother in them let alone one that makes it to the end of the cartoon?  I've known kids raised by their grandparents, or a case where an aunt married the kid's father just to help raise him. It was a pretty cold household, too.


Now if this quack comes up with a cure for bigotry he'll have something. someone else's sex life isn't any of my business and it certainly isn't anything that needs to be regulated by the government. What's next--are they going to try to regulate uniform sizes and measures including duration?

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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 6:56PM #17
mytmouse57
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"And no, I don't believe anyone deserves "special" rights.  I do believe they deserve the rights all of us enjoy.  As long as we're speaking out against "special" rights, let's speak out against those demanded by the religious right."


 


I deserve "special" rights. I want my own island, hand-made pastry for breakfast every day, and only movies I think are cool should play in theaters. And, oh, Black Sabbath should perform at my birthday party.


That's all I think of right now, but I'm sure I'll come up with more later.

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3 years ago  ::  May 10, 2010 - 8:54PM #18
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If one argues that a gay couple will turn their children gay also, then why do so many straight couples have gay children? I think that is one question to ponder on. 


Another bigot gets caught with his pants down.



 

By gay I do mean men and women couples.


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3 years ago  ::  May 11, 2010 - 4:25PM #19
Do_unto_others
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The scandal grows ...


 


Seems Rekers was paid between $60,000 - $120,000 by Florida Attorney-General (and current would-be Florida Governor) Bill MCollum to be an (ahem) 'expert witness' in hearings to ban GLBT Floridians from adopting - as either couples or as single persons.


( www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=5709&Me... )


 



And those dollars were TAXPAYER DOLLARS!


 


Mr Rekers himself is, apparently un-married and (ahem) 'adopted' a 16 year-old 4 years ago himself ...


 


blog.reidreport.com/2010/05/did-george-r...


 


Sorry for the many verificationlinks, but it's also on Joe my god and many, many other blogs/sites. Yet it's small potatoes to the morals 'n fambly values' crowd that usually lurks here on Fox-owned B'net. Any wonders why?

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3 years ago  ::  May 12, 2010 - 1:52AM #20
karbie
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Of course--the ever popular "do as i say,not as i do" bit. Why am I not surprised this guy was against other single parents adopting regardless of their sexuality? Or that he's been happily eating at the public trough.


Sure, I'd like special rights...but I don't think I can get a restraining order to keep idiots at bay. I'd settle for just having a few more competent people around sometimes....if I want to be really bitchy, I'd be happy just to get all the rights we lost to the Patriot Act back.


I knew who a lot of the gay guys were in school simply because we were into some of the same things--music, theater, museums--and I guess because I didn't treat them like freaks. I figured that as long as we both didn't go after the same guy there wasn't a problem. Later on I met a lot of gay women--and as long as they didn't want anything but friendship from me, I didn't have a problem with them either. On the whole, they certainly were a lot less judgemental and fun to be with than some of the religious bigots around.


This guy has simply found a way to make money from being a bigot....a fraud...and a cheat. I don't think that anyone is going straight to Hell for being homosexual--if we are as God made us, that's how they came wired. I don't think our sexual preference is something we can be converted over one way or the other--and trying to justify bigotry  on religious grounds is a bigger perversion than homosexuality to me.


Shame on me for being tolerant--I was raised Episcopalian. When he was in the Army my father had a minister rush up to him and ask him if he'd been Saved. Daddy told him "No, I'm an Episcopalian."


 

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