If Chaz hadn't come out about the surgery now, I can guarantee that the OP of this thread would have made an even bigger "scandal" out of it when the scumbag media broke the story.

It would have been "Why try to hide it?"  "Why not be honest if you're not ashamed?"...  I've seen the m.o. of the OP of this thread and many other people everywhere.  
Come out with the story, and you're bragging and should be quiet....  DON'T come out with it and you're ashamed and should have told the world....

Like I said... I hope Chaz finally finds peace and happiness.  I also hope judgmental boobs stop trying to decide what is "right" for full grown adults to do.

"Right" or "Wrong" at least Chastity/Chaz has never been arrested and put on trial for pedophilia and has never paid off kids and their families for suspicious activities.

Tmairie says--

"If Chaz hadn't come out about the surgery now, I can guarantee that the OP of this thread would have made an even bigger "scandal" out of it when the scumbag media broke the story."

Asking for opinions and reactions is quite different than "making a scandal" out of something.

When I posted this thread I was looking for a discussion of what people thought some of the issues might be.

And that is exactly what this thread is.

Any "scandal" would be in the mind of certain beholders.

 Svetlana mentioned raising awareness--which is exactly what I hoped this thread might do in relation to transgender issues.

i can definitely relate to not feeling comfortable in my own skin - if there were a way to fix that i would love to find it

but i am straight and have no gender issues

i am all for gay rights because i am all for human rights and i happen to know and love some gay people

i'm trying to be respectfully honest here:

i don't get it

frankly i don't want to know about his genitalia

still i read this entire thread because i want to understand

and i still don't get it

am i being prejudiced if i just say "i give up - i don't get it?"

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i love the "may reason bless you" thing

Genitalia does not make or break a person.  Has nothing to do with actual sexual orientation either.

A penis does not a man make!  A dildo well used can offer plenty of pleasure and some mental relief  as far as gender identity goes. 

I am 2 spirit, have both male and female  what have yous, I did not transition because I learned to manage as I am.  My partner  gets the best of both worlds.  Penis reconstruction is very complicated and so far rarely functional and cost a bunch of money. Usually not covered by insurance.  Constructing a vagina is simpler as they basically take the penis and turn it inside out and stick it back where it came from. 

Laymans terms.  

 Women come with a clitoris.  My closest friend transitioned, ftm and kept his clit!  That trumps a penis any day.  Yes, that makes one "female" yet really it is all in your head.

I showed him how to "pack" and how to use a few toys.  No "real"  penis required.   Total cost one weekend, and 125.00, for the toys and lube and condoms...  and a little attitude adjustment.

Yes he underwent major surgery, name change and loads of therapy plus testosterone.  He is a man with a clit.  He also has the best of both worlds.  And now knows one does not need a dick to be a prick. :)  When he finally realised that it was not about the almighty penis, he relaxed and really chilled.   

As far as Chaz, lol.  He has the money, I suggest simply gender bending yet if he is gender dysphoric... good luck, it is manageable without surgery yet what do I know?

Dar

Jun 30, 2009 -- 3:54AM, Holyguano wrote:

i can definitely relate to not feeling comfortable in my own skin - if there were a way to fix that i would love to find it

but i am straight and have no gender issues

i am all for gay rights because i am all for human rights and i happen to know and love some gay people

i'm trying to be respectfully honest here:

i don't get it

frankly i don't want to know about his genitalia

still i read this entire thread because i want to understand

and i still don't get it

am i being prejudiced if i just say "i give up - i don't get it?"

Heck, no, you're not being prejudiced!  You merely don't understand something really different and are willing to admit it.  A prejudiced person wouldn't necessarily understand either, but would claim to, and would hate on that false or non-existent knowledge.  You are the very opposite of prejudiced.

Having lived with a transsexual, and having known very many, I really don't get it either, but neither do they.  What I mean is that each of us knows what it's like to live within our own skins, but probably couldn't describe it another person.  TS's live in their own skins, but have never lived in "appropriate" skins, so they can't describe the difference between what we "comfortable" ones feel and what they feel.  No, I don't get it, my spouse and friends can't define it, so we just live with that and cope.  I DO understand that they feel enormous discomfort and pressure, and SOMEthing must be done to help them live at peace with themselves.

The bottom line is that no one really understands this, so we just have to come to terms with its existence and treat TS's as well as we expect to be treated ourselves.  It really is that simple.