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4 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2009 - 10:12PM #1
DaLight
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I'm just confused on how I should reply to someone who asks, on what basis do we deny rights for polygamy or even incest (if we make sterilization mandatory before marriage to insure children are not born with health problems). I just want someone to enlighten me on this.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2009 - 2:54PM #2
dblad
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Apr 23, 2009 -- 10:12PM, DaLight wrote:


I'm just confused on how I should reply to someone who asks, on what basis do we deny rights for polygamy or even incest (if we make sterilization mandatory before marriage to insure children are not born with health problems). I just want someone to enlighten me on this.




And that has what to do with sexual orientation? "We" are making sterilization mandatory...? Do you have some inside knowledge concerning this subject? Could you give me a source?


 

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2009 - 6:16PM #3
Shadeosg
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My Response:


Gay marriage advocates have not pushed for extending marriage rights to related couples.  Similarly they have never advocated polyamoury (sp?).  If those two issues are a concern for this person they should talk to people who advocate for those relationships.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2009 - 10:58PM #4
REteach
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This thread was moved from Sexual Orientation Debate as it was off topic for sexual orientation.

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 05, 2010 - 8:34PM #5
Robyn
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What we believe is that love is love and sex is sex, and that's okay as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I don't understand incest myself, but I understand the polygamy part and belive that it's okay as long as everyone's okay with it and it's not forced.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2010 - 12:16AM #6
leguru
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A compelling understanding of incest can be gleaned from reading a mesmerizing short story by Theodore Sturgeon, "If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister?" It first appeared in the SF Magazine, Dangerous Visions in 1970 and was included in an anthology, Case and The Dreamer, published in 1974 by Nelson Doubleday, Inc., Garden City, New York. An excerpt from p.98:


". . .what's wrong with incest? . . ." (reply) "You breed too close, you get faulty offspring. Idiots and dead babies without heads and all that." . . . "Where do you go for evidence?" "To dinner, for one place, where you'll eat idiot pig or feeble-minded cow. Any livestock breeder will tell you that, once you have a strain you want to keep and develop, you breed father to daughter and to grand-daughter, and then brother to sister. You keep that up indefinitely until the desirable trait shows up recessive, and you stop it there. But it might never show up recessive."


Read the whole story. Indeed, read the whole book. Sturgeon writes page-turners.


So the whole thing comes down to cultural indoctrination. Remember, most royal families survived just fine with incest. In fact, incest was REQUIRED for royals.


 


Peace.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 11, 2010 - 2:10AM #7
leguru
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Mar 10, 2010 -- 8:49PM, Covenant of Grace wrote:


Very interesting, leguru. The problem is that quite a few sexual assaults are from family members. How could you ever truly verify that there was not emotional manipulation, fear, or other negative effects? Could you truly know it was absolutely concensual? Even if someone said it was, they may feel differently, but be too afraid to say so.


Is it old fashioned to simply ban it outright? Probably. Does it protect and do more good than harm? I'd have to say: Definitely.


Am I biased? Yup. I say better safe than sorry. The statistics about sexual assaults, molestation and incest overpower any intellectual and philisophical perspective I might otherwise have.




If you note, I did not advocate incest, merely offer an explanation. When we can foster a society that places compassion ahead of every other thing, the problem will be solved, for the most part. Not completely, but for the most part. Are we there yet? Not likely.


 


Peace.

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