Opponents of same-gendered marriage are right. Our society will never be the same!
I was thinking about this during Coffee Hour after services at church this morning. While watching two gay teenagers (16yo & 17yo) being themselves....and, no one cared. And watching my two children along with a dozen other children of same-gendered parents play with the ~20 other children with mixed-gender parents. All in a room of ~100people of all ages up to their 90's.......who love and accept all of the children for who they are....not based on their sexuality....nor, that of their parents.
I realize this is not the case (yet) in all parts of our great nation....but, here in CT we have a whole generation (the 1st) growing up with gay/lesbian/bisexual role models. A generation growing up knowing that they can marry the person of their choice regardless of gender. A generation growing up knowing that some of their teachers are openly gay/lesbian/bisexual....some of their ministers....state and local politicians...etc. Growing up seeing openly gay/lesbians/bisexual characters on tv/in movies who are not in the story to be the butt of the joke or the twisted character to dislike/feel sorry for. A generation growing up seeing straight.....learned men/women of law (judges), great political leaders (senators, mayors, governors) calling for and putting and to discrimination in the laws of our land. A generation growing up seeing straight men/women of God proclaim we all are God's children and calling for an end to discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry in the church, the laws of our land, as well as in our everyday lives.
So, what does this mean...a generation with less divorce and broken homes because husbands and wives will not be breaking the hearts of their spouses when after years of marriage and/or a couple children, they decide they can no longer live a lie. A lie that they are straight and married either to hide from themselves and/or others.....or, married to conform to what they thought society demanded of them. A generation with gay priests who joined the priesthood because they have been called rather than to hide. A generation of honest.....straight, gay, or bisexual ministers who became ministers because they were called....not because the ministry along with their mixed marriage was a way to pretend they were straight. A generation much happier and healthier than those before us.
Peace! ------
Christian LIES wed Christian HATE......Begot a child....it’s named Prop 8!
Supreme Court let it stand.....which means we can vote away the rights of others in our land.
Sad as that may be...it hurts all of us.....not just me.
Iowa polls before the Iowa Supreme Court ruling in favor of same sex marriage showed that support was inversely related to age. The younger generation just doesn't see a problem. And a little child shall lead them. :)
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
My generation gets it. We just have to wait for our parents to die off. No offense! I'm just optimistic for the first time! ;)
I think the GOP is severely underestimating people like Megan McCain too. In a few years she can be a very major player if she wants to be. She can draw the vote from both sides of the aisle.
-Grace
A king he was on carven throne. In many-pillared halls of stone. With golden roof and silver floor, And runes of power upon the door. The light of sun and star and moon, In shining lamps of crystal hewn. Undimmed by cloud or shade of night, There shone for ever fair and bright. - J.R.R. Tolkien
Opponents of same-gendered marriage are right. Our society will never be the same! I was thinking about this during Coffee Hour after services at church this morning. While watching two gay teenagers (16yo & 17yo) being themselves....and, no one cared. And watching my two children along with a dozen other children of same-gendered parents play with the ~20 other children with mixed-gender parents. All in a room of ~100people of all ages up to their 90's.......who love and accept all of the children for who they are....not based on their sexuality....nor, that of their parents. I realize this is not the case (yet) in all parts of our great nation....but, here in CT we have a whole generation (the 1st) growing up with gay/lesbian/bisexual role models. A generation growing up knowing that they can marry the person of their choice regardless of gender. A generation growing up knowing that some of their teachers are openly gay/lesbian/bisexual....some of their ministers....state and local politicians...etc. Growing up seeing openly gay/lesbians/bisexual characters on tv/in movies who are not in the story to be the butt of the joke or the twisted character to dislike/feel sorry for. A generation growing up seeing straight.....learned men/women of law (judges), great political leaders (senators, mayors, governors) calling for and putting and to discrimination in the laws of our land. A generation growing up seeing straight men/women of God proclaim we all are God's children and calling for an end to discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry in the church, the laws of our land, as well as in our everyday lives. So, what does this mean...a generation with less divorce and broken homes because husbands and wives will not be breaking the hearts of their spouses when after years of marriage and/or a couple children, they decide they can no longer live a lie. A lie that they are straight and married either to hide from themselves and/or others.....or, married to conform to what they thought society demanded of them. A generation with gay priests who joined the priesthood because they have been called rather than to hide. A generation of honest.....straight, gay, or bisexual ministers who became ministers because they were called....not because the ministry along with their mixed marriage was a way to pretend they were straight. A generation much happier and healthier than those before us.
Yes, I've no doubt we're seeing a generation that -- at least regarding the issue of homosexuality -- is trading political correctness for honest critical thought, rhetoric and slogans for reasoned debate and feel-good platitude for genuine religion.
Be that as it may, I think for the most part, things don't get "better" or "worse" as time passes -- as much as middle-aged and older folks like to sit back and say, "well, back in my day..."
No, things simply change. And for every negative, there's a positive -- not to mention that what's negative and what's positive is often in the eye of the beholder. Yep, kids these days are drinking the P.C. Kool-Aid. But then again, you are correct in saying they'll probably be a lot less fearful and uptight about sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular than many previous generations.
As for gay marriage in all 50 states..yep, that's also only a matter of time. In the long run, however, the number of gays (even relative to the tiny percentage of the population that is gay in the first place) actually seeking marriage -- once the novelty of it all wears off -- will likely be underwhelming. I've recently heard some social commentators pontificating on the subject say that marriage has been a pet project of only a relativley small, very vocal element of the homosexual community. Many more gays than some people might realize never cared a toss either way about marriage -- because they saw it all along as a hetro institution and tradition anyway. And those gays, the "silent majority," if you will, were more interested in the basic concerns of being respected as human beings, being left alone and able to live in peace and free from fear than in trying to immitate what straights were doing.
Anyway, that's what some are saying, and I'm inclined to think there's probably some validity to it.
Opponents of same-gendered marriage are right. Our society will never be the same! I was thinking about this during Coffee Hour after services at church this morning. While watching two gay teenagers (16yo & 17yo) being themselves....and, no one cared. And watching my two children along with a dozen other children of same-gendered parents play with the ~20 other children with mixed-gender parents. All in a room of ~100people of all ages up to their 90's.......who love and accept all of the children for who they are....not based on their sexuality....nor, that of their parents. I realize this is not the case (yet) in all parts of our great nation....but, here in CT we have a whole generation (the 1st) growing up with gay/lesbian/bisexual role models. A generation growing up knowing that they can marry the person of their choice regardless of gender. A generation growing up knowing that some of their teachers are openly gay/lesbian/bisexual....some of their ministers....state and local politicians...etc. Growing up seeing openly gay/lesbians/bisexual characters on tv/in movies who are not in the story to be the butt of the joke or the twisted character to dislike/feel sorry for. A generation growing up seeing straight.....learned men/women of law (judges), great political leaders (senators, mayors, governors) calling for and putting and to discrimination in the laws of our land. A generation growing up seeing straight men/women of God proclaim we all are God's children and calling for an end to discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry in the church, the laws of our land, as well as in our everyday lives. So, what does this mean...a generation with less divorce and broken homes because husbands and wives will not be breaking the hearts of their spouses when after years of marriage and/or a couple children, they decide they can no longer live a lie. A lie that they are straight and married either to hide from themselves and/or others.....or, married to conform to what they thought society demanded of them. A generation with gay priests who joined the priesthood because they have been called rather than to hide. A generation of honest.....straight, gay, or bisexual ministers who became ministers because they were called....not because the ministry along with their mixed marriage was a way to pretend they were straight. A generation much happier and healthier than those before us.
Yes, I've no doubt we're seeing a generation that -- at least regarding the issue of homosexuality -- is trading political correctness for honest critical thought, rhetoric and slogans for reasoned debate and feel-good platitude for genuine religion.
Be that as it may, I think for the most part, things don't get "better" or "worse" as time passes -- as much as middle-aged and older folks like to sit back and say, "well, back in my day..."
No, things simply change. And for every negative, there's a positive -- not to mention that what's negative and what's positive is often in the eye of the beholder. Yep, kids these days are drinking the P.C. Kool-Aid. But then again, you are correct in saying they'll probably be a lot less fearful and uptight about sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular than many previous generations.
As for gay marriage in all 50 states..yep, that's also only a matter of time. In the long run, however, the number of gays (even relative to the tiny percentage of the population that is gay in the first place) actually seeking marriage -- once the novelty of it all wears off -- will likely be underwhelming. I've recently heard some social commentators pontificating on the subject say that marriage has been a pet project of only a relativley small, very vocal element of the homosexual community. Many more gays than some people might realize never cared a toss either way about marriage -- because they saw it all along as a hetro institution and tradition anyway. And those gays, the "silent majority," if you will, were more interested in the basic concerns of being respected as human beings, being left alone and able to live in peace and free from fear than in trying to immitate what straights were doing.
Anyway, that's what some are saying, and I'm inclined to think there's probably some validity to it.
Being recognized as EQUAL tax-paying citizens is also nice. I really don't want my taxes going to some faith based institution that does not recognize gays as equal in every respect. Believe what you want, but to deprive a select group of equal rights is unconstitutional!
Yes, I've no doubt we're seeing a generation that -- at least regarding the issue of homosexuality -- is trading political correctness for honest critical thought, rhetoric and slogans for reasoned debate and feel-good platitude for genuine religion
Actually it seems that people are willing to base their judgments on ther own experience and interaction rather than parroting badly translated ancient documents. It also seems like there is an interest in actually practicing the real tenets of their chosen religion rather than paying lip service to them. Bravo!
Opponents of same-gendered marriage are right. Our society will never be the same! I was thinking about this during Coffee Hour after services at church this morning. While watching two gay teenagers (16yo & 17yo) being themselves....and, no one cared. And watching my two children along with a dozen other children of same-gendered parents play with the ~20 other children with mixed-gender parents. All in a room of ~100people of all ages up to their 90's.......who love and accept all of the children for who they are....not based on their sexuality....nor, that of their parents. I realize this is not the case (yet) in all parts of our great nation....but, here in CT we have a whole generation (the 1st) growing up with gay/lesbian/bisexual role models. A generation growing up knowing that they can marry the person of their choice regardless of gender. A generation growing up knowing that some of their teachers are openly gay/lesbian/bisexual....some of their ministers....state and local politicians...etc. Growing up seeing openly gay/lesbians/bisexual characters on tv/in movies who are not in the story to be the butt of the joke or the twisted character to dislike/feel sorry for. A generation growing up seeing straight.....learned men/women of law (judges), great political leaders (senators, mayors, governors) calling for and putting and to discrimination in the laws of our land. A generation growing up seeing straight men/women of God proclaim we all are God's children and calling for an end to discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry in the church, the laws of our land, as well as in our everyday lives. So, what does this mean...a generation with less divorce and broken homes because husbands and wives will not be breaking the hearts of their spouses when after years of marriage and/or a couple children, they decide they can no longer live a lie. A lie that they are straight and married either to hide from themselves and/or others.....or, married to conform to what they thought society demanded of them. A generation with gay priests who joined the priesthood because they have been called rather than to hide. A generation of honest.....straight, gay, or bisexual ministers who became ministers because they were called....not because the ministry along with their mixed marriage was a way to pretend they were straight. A generation much happier and healthier than those before us.
Yes, I've no doubt we're seeing a generation that -- at least regarding the issue of homosexuality -- is trading political correctness for honest critical thought, rhetoric and slogans for reasoned debate and feel-good platitude for genuine religion.
Be that as it may, I think for the most part, things don't get "better" or "worse" as time passes -- as much as middle-aged and older folks like to sit back and say, "well, back in my day..."
No, things simply change. And for every negative, there's a positive -- not to mention that what's negative and what's positive is often in the eye of the beholder. Yep, kids these days are drinking the P.C. Kool-Aid. But then again, you are correct in saying they'll probably be a lot less fearful and uptight about sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular than many previous generations.
As for gay marriage in all 50 states..yep, that's also only a matter of time. In the long run, however, the number of gays (even relative to the tiny percentage of the population that is gay in the first place) actually seeking marriage -- once the novelty of it all wears off -- will likely be underwhelming. I've recently heard some social commentators pontificating on the subject say that marriage has been a pet project of only a relativley small, very vocal element of the homosexual community. Many more gays than some people might realize never cared a toss either way about marriage -- because they saw it all along as a hetro institution and tradition anyway. And those gays, the "silent majority," if you will, were more interested in the basic concerns of being respected as human beings, being left alone and able to live in peace and free from fear than in trying to immitate what straights were doing.
Anyway, that's what some are saying, and I'm inclined to think there's probably some validity to it.
Being recognized as EQUAL tax-paying citizens is also nice. I really don't want my taxes going to some faith based institution that does not recognize gays as equal in every respect. Believe what you want, but to deprive a select group of equal rights is unconstitutional!
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All that "equality" can be accopmplished through domestic partnership benefits -- regardless of whether the couple is a gay couple, a shacking-up straight couple.. a couple of siblings that moved in together to take care of their elderly Mom... or whatever. I think the underlying reason is a real desire to "normalize" -- or mainstream -- homosexuality. Is that an unworthy goal? Of course not. I don't question for a second the personal intergity of gays who seek that.
All I have questioned, and will continue to question, is the intergity, logic and intellectual honesty of the arguments used to that end. They just flat-out don't stand up to real scrutiny, IMO, and eventually, house of cards will fall.
Also, I was noting that some are pointing out that many gays apparenlty never cared about being "mainstreamed" in the first place. Marriage just wasn't important to them in that regard, because it was the hetros' thing, institution, burden -- however you want to see it.
Yes, I've no doubt we're seeing a generation that -- at least regarding the issue of homosexuality -- is trading political correctness for honest critical thought, rhetoric and slogans for reasoned debate and feel-good platitude for genuine religion
Actually it seems that people are willing to base their judgments on ther own experience and interaction rather than parroting badly translated ancient documents. It also seems like there is an interest in actually practicing the real tenets of their chosen religion rather than paying lip service to them. Bravo!
And the real tenents of those religions simply do not support or approve of homosexual carnal relations or gay marraige. Homosexuality can't be reconciled with orthodox religion. Peroid. End of story.
And neither can the arguments used to attempt to "normalize" homosexuality be reconciled with real, honest scrutiny, common sense, logic or even basic biology.
But do people who recognize that then by default approve of hatred or personal judgement against gay people? Nope. And bravo to the people who recognize that -- all too often forgotten or ignored -- side of religion.
Like I said, even if it means kids drinking the P.C. kool-aid, I'd still rather see the positive side of that -- people treating gays like real live human beings. If that's what it takes for people to get over being uptight and freaked out over gays... well, so be it.
And neither can the arguments used to attempt to "normalize" homosexuality be reconciled with real, honest scrutiny, common sense, logic or even basic biology.
Sorry, wrong. Science/biology considers homosexuality to be a normal variation.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
