Well for starters i do liek how you only quote the three words of control and missed the entire of the rest of the paragraph giving that response context out of your quote. Very mature :rolleyes: below is the context.

[QUOTE](originally posted by becca97)Oh yes a winning argument here -- notice it says ""if a virgin was seduced or raped she was avoided by other men like the plague"" distinctly making this about controling women, it doesn't say if make virgins were seduced or raped they were avoided like the plague; face it this whole ''homosexuals can't marry'' is exactly the same as the above attitude to raped virgins, control, control, control ...[/QUOTE]

No it is about control, i suggest you read some sociological theory sometime.

I’ve read Genesis. Lilith? Not in it. I believe that she was some sort of mythological figure. Maybe Babylonian, not sure where she originated from.

her origin is only mentioned in the earliest known forms of the bible currently housed in the british museum and where actual true bible scholars study from -- and yes she most assuredly did originate in genesis and was constructed as an equal to adam out of clay, but she did not wish to be subjegated by adam, saw herself as equal, adam did not liek this and so God dismissed her from eden, then creating eve out of adams ribb so she would always be sunordinate to him - though more 'modern' xtians, catholics etc try to make her out to be some demoness, or dimsiss her form exsistance entirly- her root is in early biblical/abrhamic creation myth.


[QUOTE]Not really…I don’t get how on earth you get that from what I said. But here is the scripture most commonly used to back it up and what I was referring to.[/QUOTE]


and yet it doesn't mention actual marriage - hence marriage as we talk about it today is a human construct ergo has bugger all to do with religion so if homosexuals wish to legally marry it is none of religions business.


[QUOTE]The point being that the state of matrimony, a man and a woman being united for life, is God made. Man’s celebration of it may have come later. [/QUOTE]

No; it might be that according to abrahamic theology/myth God unified adam and eve in sexual partnership and union, but matrimony is man constructed.

Aside from the above? How about Sodom and Gomorrah? It’s there; you seem to just not know where it is. Or are maybe deliberately ignoring it. I’m not a ‘Bible Christian’, I don’t have the whole thing memorized, so there’s more there than I can point out to you.

And yet again you do not seem to be reading the actual descriptions about why soddom and gomorah were destroyed, though others here have covered this in detail so i'll leave you to read that if you are so inclined.

That Jesus told Peter He would give him the keys to the kingdom of Heaven and what he loosed on earth would be loosed in Heaven and what he closed on earth would be closed in Heaven is 100% fact. I know people take issue with that and (very lamely) try to explain it away, but the 2000 year life of the Church attests to it perfectly.[/QUOTE]

err again no it is not 'fact' it is A truth according to A religion and according to AN interpretation of said religion.

Now i am not particularly religious though i have a deep interest in the foundations of our societies and religions undeniable role in shaping those societies particular the widespread imapct of the abrhamic religions -- but i do know many theologians, christian scholars and the like who might have their own favoured interpretations and truths but realise all of that is ENTIRLY a matter of faith not fact.

This programme is very interesting, and is a programme imho all christians incl catholics should watch as if they are going to take the bible literally then they aiught ot know its historic foundations. (programme is made by a practicing priest btw )

part one is below the other episodes are linked in the related videos section.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-L7cQ3BrD5U