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4 years ago  ::  Jan 23, 2009 - 3:16PM #1
mytmouse57
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Focus on the Family is trying to sway voters in my state, Wyoming.

Full article here:

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles … ygroup.txt


I haven't gotten a call yet. Don't really expect one, because my number isn't listed anywhere. Also, the article indicates one of the key target areas is Laramie. Wyoming is a big damn state -- in terms of area, anyway -- and I'm a long way from Laramie.

But anyway, on the off chance I do get a call, not sure what I'd say. Probably something along the lines of "I see the secular, legal aspect of marriage and the religious signifigance of it as two different things -- so legal gay marriage really doesn't make any difference to me."
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 23, 2009 - 7:40PM #2
REteach
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Since two of my three kids were born in Lander, I hope WY steps up to plate and rejects discrimination.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 24, 2009 - 2:53PM #3
mytmouse57
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[QUOTE=REteach;1039540]Since two of my three kids were born in Lander, I hope WY steps up to plate and rejects discrimination.[/QUOTE]

Difficult to say. I've lived in Wyoming for about only 5 years, and was pretty unfamiliar with the state, except for the 1-80 corridor (which I've driven about a million and three times) prior to that.

Before Wyoming, I lived in Idaho for eight years and Montana for over 20. Of the three, I would say Montana can be the most liberal -- depending upon the region -- Idaho is the most conservative (in the contemporary sense of the word "conservative") whereas Wyoming tends to be more old fashioned. Old fashioned in the sense that folks don't care so much who you are and what you do, so long as you treat other well and mind your own business.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2009 - 11:33AM #4
dblad
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mytmouse57 wrote:

Focus on the Family is trying to sway voters in my state, Wyoming. ."


Focus on the Family is the most hateful, bigoted organization I have ever had the displeasure of reading about. I have the taste of bile just typing that name.


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4 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2009 - 9:14AM #5
mytmouse57
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dblad wrote:

Focus on the Family is the most hateful, bigoted organization I have ever had the displeasure of reading about. I have the taste of bile just typing that name.


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I would say they are quite neo-conservative in their politics and fundamentalist in their theology -- neither of which I agree with. I would not, however, say they are hateful. And I'm not resentful of them trying to lobby for what they think it right, any more than I resent GLADD or PFLAG lobbying for what they think is right.

Can you provide any evidence to indicate FOF is deliberately hateful?

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2009 - 2:01PM #6
dblad
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mytmouse57 wrote:

I would say they are quite neo-conservative in their politics and fundamentalist in their theology -- neither of which I agree with. I would not, however, say they are hateful. And I'm not resentful of them trying to lobby for what they think it right, any more than I resent GLADD or PFLAG lobbying for what they think is right.
Can you provide any evidence to indicate FOF is deliberately hateful?


At this site you will find letters http://elroy.net/ehr/antifocus.html#hurt

These letters come from people who agree with the dangers of Focus on the Family. They are divided into two categories, those who are being directly damaged by Focus, and those who wanted to explain their own reasons for being opposed to Dobson and company.

This is the home site of the above http://www.elroy.net/ehr/focus.html

How James Dobson, leader of Focus on the Family, sets himself up as the moral authority of the nation -- taken from his own words and from other media reports
Source: http://elroy.net/ehr/dobson.html

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[SIZE=3][FONT=Utopia-Regular]It is not okay when believers seek to spread their hateful and intolerant views to the vulnerable among us, to young people questioning their sexuality or parents who are confused and upset by their adult child’s disclosure of being gay. It is also not okay when the message of intolerance is cloaked in science, when data is distorted or fabricated to further a damaging agenda. And the association of Christianity with intolerance to homosexuality is perhaps the most hurtful and wrongheaded distortion by both the popular media and advocates of so-called “reparative therapy” such as Dr. James Dobson and Focus on the Family.[/FONT]




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4 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2009 - 7:29PM #7
mytmouse57
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dblad wrote:

At this site you will find letters http://elroy.net/ehr/antifocus.html#hurt

These letters come from people who agree with the dangers of Focus on the Family. They are divided into two categories, those who are being directly damaged by Focus, and those who wanted to explain their own reasons for being opposed to Dobson and company.

This is the home site of the above http://www.elroy.net/ehr/focus.html

How James Dobson, leader of Focus on the Family, sets himself up as the moral authority of the nation -- taken from his own words and from other media reports
Source: http://elroy.net/ehr/dobson.html

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Anectocal letters and "reports" from clearly biased sources don't add up to what I would consider objective evidence. I hear and read right-wingers making simlar claims about left-wing organizations and putting forth similar "evidence" of how they threaten me, society and the country.

I was hoping for something more along the lines of an FBI report outlining how FOF displays characteristics of a dangerous hate group, or otherwise potentially damaging radical agenda.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2009 - 9:05PM #8
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According to the FBI hate crime reports for 2007, only Denver, with 5, had more hate crimes based on sexual orientation than Colorado Springs, with 3.   

In 2007, Denver had 588,000 people.  Colorado Springs had 402,000.  So, the home of Focus on the Family has doesn't seem to be doing much to decrease hate crimes.

Of course, these are just the ones reported and recorded.  Not everyone wants to share humiliation.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2009 - 11:43AM #9
dblad
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mytmouse57 wrote:

Anectocal letters and "reports" from clearly biased sources don't add up to what I would consider objective evidence. I hear and read right-wingers making simlar claims about left-wing organizations and putting forth similar "evidence" of how they threaten me, society and the country.

I was hoping for something more along the lines of an FBI report outlining how FOF displays characteristics of a dangerous hate group, or otherwise potentially damaging radical agenda.


Of course you are completely un-biased and open-minded when it comes to these reports... DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH.

All you have to offer is your own biased opinion.... ahhh ha ha ... gag..

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2009 - 12:09PM #10
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[FONT=Formata-Bold]Here are some of the hateful lies that founder James Dobson publishes and preaches... all quotes can be found in the sources quoted at the end of this [/FONT][FONT=Formata-Bold]pamphlet ... http://www.soulforce.org/pdf/false_focus.pdf[/FONT]


[FONT=Formata-Bold]Focus on the Family says:[/FONT]


[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“What do we know about this disorder? Well first, it is a disorder, despite the[/FONT]
[FONT=Utopia-Regular]denials of the American Psychiatric Association.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]2[/FONT]


[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“Contrary to claims by gay activists, homosexually active persons as a group[/FONT]
[FONT=Utopia-Regular]appear to be less psychologically healthy than the general population.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]3[/FONT]


[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“The mother is over-emotionally involved, a dominate, strong personality . . .[/FONT]
[FONT=Utopia-Regular]the father is quiet, withdrawn, non-expressive, and/or hostile.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]4[/FONT]


[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“I’ve never met a homosexual man that had a loving respectful relationship[/FONT]
[FONT=Utopia-Regular]with his father.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]5[/FONT]


[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“I have never seen a male with a homosexual problem think fondly of his older [/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]brother . . . I’ve never heard that . . . never do hear it.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]6[/FONT]



[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“Homosexuality is a gender identity disorder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Utopia-Regular]7[/FONT]



[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“There is no such thing as a homosexual . . . We are all heterosexual, but some [/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]heterosexuals have a homosexual problem.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]8[/FONT]




[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“Homosexual behavior is always prompted by an inner state of emptiness.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Utopia-Regular]9[/FONT]



[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“Homosexuality is about a sense of self. Homosexuality is a masculine[/FONT]

[FONT=Utopia-Regular]inferiority. Homosexual behavior is about striving to connect with the lost masculinity [/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]within the self.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]10[/FONT]






[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“A little prehomosexual boy came home from school and said ‘Mom, we are[/FONT]

[FONT=Utopia-Regular]doing a play at school, and I am playing the part of the father.’ The mother got [/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]angry and said, ‘You go back and tell them you want a speaking part.’”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]11[/FONT]






[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“Any incident that happens to place a particular strain on the relationship[/FONT]

[FONT=Utopia-Regular]between the child and the parent of the same sex is potentially causative.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]12[/FONT]






[FONT=Utopia-Regular]“Male homosexuality is a developmental problem that is almost always the[/FONT]


[FONT=Utopia-Regular]result of problems in family relations, particularly between father and son.”[/FONT][FONT=Utopia-Regular]13[/FONT]


[FONT=Utopia-Regular]If you believe these lies, it is because you want to![/FONT]



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