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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 10:13AM #1 | |
My_King
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I posted the same thing on the CDB but would like to know why people think it is worth their time to constantly try and change an institution and or people that don't want to change?
Obsession with anything is not healthy, even if you think your cause is just. Just curious. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 11:54AM #2 | |
REteach
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Yeah, what was so wrong with slavery? Why was it worth an entire civil war? The Bible clearly supported it...
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 2:52PM #3 | |
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My_King
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My point is that it is not going to change, so why obsess?
You can put your faith into the notion that the Church will change its fundamental dogmas, but the truth is, it will not. But fight on sister!!!! Oh and why not just continue to fight for homosexual "rights" in the secular world instead of trying to change the religious beliefs of Catholics and specifically the authority of the Church? Why the need to make others see it your way in a medium that won't make much of a difference? Peace. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 7:14PM #4 | |
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REteach
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The church has changed its beliefs. Have you ever studied church history? Do you know why the RCC moved to a celibate priesthood? Did you know returning to mass in the vernacular was returning to the original way the church worked? Do you know why they ring bells during the consecration? Do you think they had alter rails from the beginning? Do you know where the term "hocus pocus" came from?
The RCC changes a lot. It just doesn't like to admit it, for some strange reason. It would be better off if it would admit that our faith can grow, too.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 7:49PM #5 | |
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I once asked some nuns how they managed to survive in the pre-Vatican II Church. One nun put it bluntly, "We knew it had to better."
The loss of hope leads to despair, the only unforgiveable sin in the Catholic Church. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 7:59PM #6 | |
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My_King
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[QUOTE=REteach;1025779]The church has changed its beliefs. Have you ever studied church history? Do you know why the RCC moved to a celibate priesthood? Did you know returning to mass in the vernacular was returning to the original way the church worked? Do you know why they ring bells during the consecration? Do you think they had alter rails from the beginning? Do you know where the term "hocus pocus" came from?
The RCC changes a lot. It just doesn't like to admit it, for some strange reason. It would be better off if it would admit that our faith can grow, too.[/QUOTE] I know the answer to all those questions, do you know the difference between (t)radition and (T)radition? That should answer your questions of "change." |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 9:04PM #7 | |
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REteach
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I know that the Catechism and VCII documents are full on contradictions. Do you?
BTW, as I mentioned, I have a certificate in Catholic lay ministry, and in addition to teaching RE for 15 years, I also taught RCIA for 4 or 5 years. I lost count. What about you?
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 10:20PM #8 | |
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My_King
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I have no desire to post my credentials, it seems a rather pointless act, since I could say I had many credentials that I don't have and you wouldn't know any different (and vice versa).
Not to mention the fact that your credentials are impressive but just barely fall short of the credentials of B16 and he is on my side. Do you see the frivolity of your request? Never the less, you don't seem much interested in real dialogue and I don't have the time. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 10:39PM #9 | |
JonAtFaithUCC
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[QUOTE=My_King;1025306]Oh and why not just continue to fight for homosexual "rights" in the secular world instead of trying to change the religious beliefs of Catholics and specifically the authority of the Church? Why the need to make others see it your way in a medium that won't make much of a difference?
Peace.[/QUOTE] The opposite could and should be asked of the Catholic Church about why it can't worry about it's own members, churches, and dogma instead of using its influence and resources to fight against equal rights for all citizens in the secular law, including marriage equality and equal parenting rights. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 17, 2009 - 10:47PM #10 | |
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ConanTheLibrarian
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Jon, I agree with you whole-heartedly.
Will the last person leaving the Catholic Church please remember to blow out all the candles and turn off all the lights. I am not joking. In my area, I cannot tell if I am attending Mass or attending an AARP meeting |
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