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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 9:06AM #1
dingaling
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The Pope has finaly decreed that Catholics can finaly wear a condom as long as thay cut the ends of so as not to interfear in procreation.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 9:40AM #2
shiloh43
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thats about dumb, why even wear one then defeats the whole purpose ofwearing it.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 9:44AM #3
dingaling
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[QUOTE=shiloh43;171823]thats about dumb, why even wear one then defeats the whole purpose ofwearing it.[/QUOTE]
Its a Joke guy just a Joke.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 3:07PM #4
angpuppy
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Not funny.

Actually the purpose would be to collect semen in case the couple were having trouble conceiving.  Masturbation is considered sinful, so people have come up with creative methods to try to collect the semen for alternative treatments.  Putting a hole in the condemn so some semen gets through while still collect some of it has been suggested, but the Church considers this immoral.

Procreation can only occur within the sexual act itself.  Couples can use things to help heal the body or to determine when ovulation occurs so as to increase the chances of concieving, but we are not allowed to take procreation out of the sexual act itself.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 3:15PM #5
dingaling
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For your lesson in sex and masterbation.

  Every person who has ever lived has masterbated,as masterbation is no more a sin than urenation,or defecation  and are simply a means of relieving the body of unwanted or needed body fluids.

(My mommy was wrong my eyes never did cross.)
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 8:46PM #6
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Well if there is a point to the OP, I wish the origniator would make it.
If the OP was made for the purpose of humor even if done in poor taste,
then it's not a thread for this board.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 29, 2007 - 8:46PM #7
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Well if there is a point to the OP, I wish the origniator would make it.
If the OP was made for the purpose of humor even if done in poor taste,
then it's not a thread for this board.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 30, 2007 - 11:16PM #8
angpuppy
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[QUOTE=dingaling;172551]Every person who has ever lived has masterbated



I guess I have never lived. 


[QUOTE=Barði;172862]If Jesus was fully human and fully divine since a God cannot die and man cannot atone for the original sin, then did he suffer the same temptations as any ordinary man?



You're reasoning that Jesus was fully human and fully Divine because God cannot die and man cannot atone for the original sin is off, but not in the remotest since relevant to this topic so I will not respond to it.

However, in regards as to whether Jesus suffered the same temptations as any ordinary man, Jesus did not suffer concupiscence (the affect or original sin).  He did not have the attraction to sin as we have, but he was tempted in the sense as the opportunity to sin was offered to him.  The real kicker is realizing that Adam and Eve did not have concupiscence and thus did not have the attraction to sin that we have.   Their sin while a seemingly small act thus was graver as there is a difference between committing an evil totally willfully without really much pressure, and struggling with the weight of your desire to sin and having your will collapse underneath you.


anyone would be sinless if they were sheltered enough.



Sin stems from within.  It begins in your heart.  It does not come from the outside.

And well, did Jesus marry?



Jesus is called the bridegroom of the Church.  The analogy of God's relationship to humanity as like a marriage is a key figure repeated in the new testament and in Catholic theology.  If Christ married a woman, God's covenant would be only with her and with his natural descendants.  No one else could have hope for inheriting the Kingdom of God.

God rather became man to unite himself to all of humanity, to spiritually adopt us as His children so that we are more than just His creatures.  Testament is just another word for covenant.   Hence we are the people of the new testament, or rather the new covenant.  God has sworn an oath with us that we are incapable of keeping.  But in uniting himself to the human race, in becoming human, he is able to atone for all the debt of our sin. 

It is like an adult who sees an orphan who has been wounded by the world and suffers from many dysfunctions.  The adult decides to adopt the child, but permits the child's rebellion to the extent that he won't force the child to live with him.   He does require sincere repentance and will not totally be walked over, but at the same time he know the child is in a sense a slave to his own emotional hang ups.  So to help the child out, the parent offers to pay the civil debt on behalf of the child, so that the child is not held back from the world to return home.

Plus, you can't say women were modest around him since it is known he hung out with the prostitutes who probably did tempt him.



There is a story of a saint who was a cleric.  He was walking around Rome, I think, with some other fellow priests and they passed by a hooker.  Most of the priests looked away from the hooker, but the man who was to become the saint starred at her intensely with love, and he commented on what a beautiful woman God had created her to be.  His gaze was so full of purity and love that the woman sought to find out who he was and eventually converted and became a saint herself. 

The point of the story is that lust resides in the heart.  Those who suffer with much lust, have to look away not to stir their lustful passions.  But ultimately a chaste heart will look with eyes that see the entire beauty of the person, not just the sexual features and their allure.  Thus the goal of developing chastity in your heart is not to live your life constantly looking away, but to seek to look at all people with love and respect.  To never look at them as an objects which is a means to an end for you, and to have successfully integrated your sexuality inside you so that you control it rather than it controlling and dominating over you.

Thus Christ was around immodest hookers, but he saw beyond their immodesty and saw them for the beautiful women they were.


If your God says f*cking is a sin and is evil, then you are worshiping a demon.



Evil does not have an existance of its own.  Evil is rather the distortion, perversion or destruction of the good.  Therefore sex is good, but we are fully capable of distorting and perverting sex to turn it into an evil act.  We are fully capable of making a great act of love into an act of great selfishness which objectifies the other person.

I think we'd all agree that sex can be abused.  We just disagree on what actually is selfish.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2007 - 3:49AM #9
espiritus85
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Therefore sex is good, but we are fully capable of distorting and perverting sex to turn it into an evil act.



Define sex as you are using it. Sounds like you see it as some kind of entity.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2007 - 5:14AM #10
lexa_blue
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Pretty much all young children masturbate--and that includes us, when we were children.  Since societal conventions of morality are taught by our elders, children do not know that masturbation is verboten until they are caught and punished, or if they are lucky, told only to touch themselves in private.  Many people masturbate in their sleep as well.  So just because you don't remember ever masturbating, doesn't mean you've never done it.
Blessings,
Lexa
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