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3 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2014 - 11:44PM #1
Brandee
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According to the latest Gallap poll I was able to to find:

83% of people believe that polygamy is morally wrong comparaed to 38% of people who think that Gay or Lesiban relationships are morally wrong.

 http://www.gallup.com/poll/162689/record-high-say-gay-lesbian-relations-morally.aspx

Why would polygamy be morally wrong and why shouldn't it be legalized. Couldn't the exact same arguments that are used to legalize gay marriage be used to legalize polygamy?

 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/05/a_ruling_for_polygamy_--_and_freedom_121126.html


Edit: current news link:  www.bustle.com/articles/30324-are-there-...
 

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 12:12AM #2
teilhard
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Well ...


In many (Traditional) Societies around The World, "Polygamy" is indeed "legal" ...


And in Fact, "Polygamy" is clearly allowed in "Biblical" Societies ...


So ...


Yes ... Is there a Problem ... ???

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 12:45AM #3
rabello
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Because, marriage between one man and one man or between one woman and one woman ISN'T polygamous.


Comparing gay marriage to polygamy is to compare apples to oranges.


Besides, polygamy doesn't make sense in a you-re-on-your-own/social darwininstic society.  There are reasons polgamy is illegal that do not apply to marriages between two people.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 4:03AM #4
in_my_opinion
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Jul 9, 2014 -- 12:45AM, rabello wrote:


Because, marriage between one man and one man or between one woman and one woman ISN'T polygamous.


No one is saying that it is.


Comparing gay marriage to polygamy is to compare apples to oranges.


Everything in the discussion is some kind of fruit. The fact that at present various cultural factors cause greater acceptance of monogamous same-sex official unions may mean a likely loosening up of other moral constraints, too.


Besides, polygamy doesn't make sense in a you-re-on-your-own/social darwininstic society.



How, so?


  There are reasons polgamy is illegal that do not apply to marriages between two people.



What are those reasons? (Intrigued!)

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 7:43AM #5
Iwantamotto
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I imagine the real reason is that the IRS can't fit very many people on the forms. :P


 


I think as long as everyone's over the age of 18 and there is no demands that women are in the kitchen for eternity, barefoot, there shouldn't be much of a problem.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 8:12AM #6
in_my_opinion
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Jul 9, 2014 -- 7:43AM, Iwantamotto wrote:


I imagine the real reason is that the IRS can't fit very many people on the forms. :P



Imagine that they would drool at the thought of yet another overcomplicated form by which to drive Americans to distraction!

 


I think as long as everyone's over the age of 18 and there is no demands that women are in the kitchen for eternity, barefoot, there shouldn't be much of a problem.



Polygamy can be polygyny (the most common form practiced), polyandry (more than one husband) or even a mix of both including anyone same-sex, hetero, or otherwise.


All it means is more than one spouse. There are a huge number of varieties and combinations that can be and/or have existed.


Government should just provide official sanction, protecting rights and making sure that contractual obligations are freely entered into and defended by law. (The lawyers will love the fields it will open up for them!)


There is no reason that the participants in these various kinds of families should have to fit any mold they don't want and if a religious organization does not accept some form of marriage or other, it can just say it wont perform them, nor accept membership saying that it is kosher/halal by their lights.


Then there will be freedom from interference with individuals and freedom for the institutions of various faiths/unbeliefs to carry on as they feel is right and proper.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 8:55AM #7
TemplarS
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As a matter of morality, polygamy ought to be up to the individuals involved (presuming as noted that they are consenting adults).  If six women want to cohabitate with a man, okay.


As a legal matter of the way society organizes itself, this is very much a matter for public policy.


There are (theoretically) such issues as relates to same-sex marriage as well.  Notable ones which have been raised are child-bearing and child-rearing. However, in those cases, close examination and extensive debate has shown that these do not really present any negative consequences.  Furthermore, same-sex marriage is by definition self-limiting, that is, it will always be limited to the small portion of the population which is homosexual.


Polygamy is not in this way self-limiting; and if practiced on a large scale will always reduce a certain percentage of the male population to second-class status.  It will be just another instance of the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor.  In  poor society (or historically) where resources are scarce, it might make some  sense, since in this way one rich man might be able to support a number of women and their children; but in our society, where we pride ourselves on egalitarianism as at least an ideal, this does not seem to be the model we want to promote.


It is obvious that in certain societies this class of surplus men might serve a very useful function, as ready and expendable fodder for the military, for example.  This again, however, does not seem like a healthy thing for a society in the 21st century.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 9:02AM #8
mainecaptain
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Another stupid question about things that are not comparable. 


Polygamy is about power, it is about a man in control of a herd of females. That is its base. 


Same sex marriage like heterosexual marriage is about legal rights and privileges. They right to be secure with the person you love and not have their family come along after your spouse dies and steal all you and your spouse have made together.


It is about protecting any family you and said spouse have created together, and about legally being about to help and protect your spouse. That is what it is today.


Marriage in the past, NOT distant past, maybe a little over 100 years ago, was about a father selling his daughter to a man for money or property or some other form of compensation, the women had no rights at all. The women was property. Just like a chair is property.


You don't like someone else's marriage, mind your own business. 


Today marriage is still about legal contracts. Love, respect and all the good things that can go with it, come from the people entering the union. But the marriage contract is about legal rights, and responsibilities, That same sex couples should have completely, just as heteros do.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 9:05AM #9
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Jul 9, 2014 -- 7:43AM, Iwantamotto wrote:


I imagine the real reason is that the IRS can't fit very many people on the forms. :P


 


I think as long as everyone's over the age of 18 and there is no demands that women are in the kitchen for eternity, barefoot, there shouldn't be much of a problem.




I don't even care if there are such demands. IF the woman wants to be in the kitchen, barefoot, and pregnant or a stay at home mom then that's her right. As long as she willingly does so then there is no problem and it's no one's business.

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3 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2014 - 9:07AM #10
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Jul 8, 2014 -- 11:44PM, Brandee wrote:

According to the latest Gallap poll I was able to to find:

83% of people believe that polygamy is morally wrong comparaed to 38% of people who think that Gay or Lesiban relationships are morally wrong.

 http://www.gallup.com/poll/162689/record-high-say-gay-lesbian-relations-morally.aspx

Why would polygamy be morally wrong and why shouldn't it be legalized. Couldn't the exact same arguments that are used to legalize gay marriage be used to legalize polygamy?  



Sure they could. 


And it will be. 


Just wait. 


Allowing same-sex marriage has opened a pandora's box of hitherto prohibited unions. 


It will be a mess, and it's just starting. 

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