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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 3:27PM #1
Do_unto_others
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You will be amazed at the effect of treating others as you would be treated. Read and be moved and inspired by what marriage - real, legal marriage - means.


Gay Marine's husband surprised at respect shown by Naval Academy

In part  (all emphasis mine.)...

"The memorial coordinator asked about his relationship to the deceased. Ketterson said that John Fliszar was his husband.

“They were always polite, but there was this moment of hesitation,” Ketterson recalled. “They said they’re going to need something in writing from a blood relative. They asked, ‘Are you listed on the death certificate?’ ‘Do you have a marriage license?’ ”


He was and they did, the couple having been married in Des Moines when gay marriage became legal in Iowa two years ago.


Ketterson sent a copy of the marriage license. That changed everything.



“I was respected,” he said. “From that moment on, I was next of kin. They were amazing.”

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Despite the protestations of the anti-equality crowd, the purpose of marriage is to establish kinship where none previously existed. I found it profoundly moving (and not surprising) that the military personnel would act professionally and without prejudice. It re-affirmed for me that the 'right' is and always has been wrong on allowing gay people to serve - openly and with distinction - as well as on same-gender marriage.

We ARE family.

Your thoughts?

(To the moderators: I know  this will eventualy get moved to the gay threads, but this is news now. With DADT on its way out and with concerns being expressed as to how personnel will 'react' to out gay people, I hope you'll leave this here - at least for a while. Thanks.)


EDIT:  Forgot the link: www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/3526027-...
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 3:29PM #2
Do_unto_others
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Hey, I just thought of something after I hit "Submit post":

Ya don't suppose Barbara Bush (the younger) speaking out in favor of gay marriage had anything to do with this, do ya?

;{O)
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 3:31PM #3
REteach
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A certain group of cretins in Iowa who do not think the economy, health care and education are as important as the thought of (gasp!) gay marriage are trying to get a constitutional amendment to revoke the law.

I'm glad the guy had the actual marriage license and it was respected.  Sexual orientation is not just about what one does with one's genitals, it's about with whom a person wants to share a love and a life.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 3:38PM #4
Do_unto_others
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Agreed, Reteach.

Forgot the link: www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/3526027-...
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 3:41PM #5
Yavanna
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention, DUO.
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.

For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gloaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
- J.R.R. Tolkien
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 3:57PM #6
writingal1
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Do-Unto--this is an EXCELLENT thread and info and point.

PLEASE bring this up every time someone says that "the marriage certificate doesn't matter."

Thanks so much for posting this!
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 3:59PM #7
Yavanna
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Feb 2, 2011 -- 3:57PM, writingal1 wrote:

Do-Unto--this is an EXCELLENT thread and info and point.

PLEASE bring this up every time someone says that "the marriage certificate doesn't matter."

Thanks so much for posting this!




Well it depends on what you mean by matters. Matters legally or matters in the grand scheme of the universe? When people say it doesn't matter, most of them are referencing the universe.

The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.

For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gloaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
- J.R.R. Tolkien
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 4:03PM #8
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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My former political party was in favour of same-sex marriage here. But the conservative crowd have consistently knocked back that proposal.
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 4:08PM #9
Do_unto_others
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You all are quite welcome, and thanks for the support. I hope one or more of the bloggers here on B'net catch it (I can't seem to find out how to e-mail them directly to make the suggestion) and write thoughtfully about the reality of what happens when people see other people as, well, people, and treat them accordingly.

Yavanna, I can't speak for others when you say, "When people say it doesn't matter, most of them are referencing the universe.", but I sure am not referencing the universe. I post as it concerns us living human beings here and now. And for me, marriage does matter - a LOT - because as John Fliszar said in the article, " I was next of kin." and, as the article says, "That changed everything."

Marriage establishes legal kinship - the only kind of kinship that is legally recognized. It is the legality of our marriages that will - sooner or later - force the Government - ALL branches of it - to deal with married LGBT Americans AS married.

The military is very much a 'go-by-the-rules- organization, and now that the DADT rules have changed, how openly gay personnel get treated will likewise change. At least it will not become the calamity the alarmist right want people to believe it will be.
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 02, 2011 - 4:17PM #10
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Feb 2, 2011 -- 3:59PM, Yavanna wrote:

Feb 2, 2011 -- 3:57PM, writingal1 wrote:

Do-Unto--this is an EXCELLENT thread and info and point.

PLEASE bring this up every time someone says that "the marriage certificate doesn't matter."

Thanks so much for posting this!




Well it depends on what you mean by matters. Matters legally or matters in the grand scheme of the universe? When people say it doesn't matter, most of them are referencing the universe.







When most people say that they are referring to "civil unions" as "just ne" and "enough" for committed gay couples.

That is OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE as evidenced by the situation Do-Unto posted....




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