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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2010 - 10:43PM #31
parkin
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Hatman :


Ha!  I'll bet you're right :  Wusses it is!  :)


 


Appy


Why not get fit for yourself?  Exercise feels good.  It lifts your spirits and actually increases brain cells!  I'm not good looking, but men who love me tell me I have an 'inner beauty'.  Some of these 'good' men you talk about (probably a bigger percentage than you think) have an appreciation for 'inner beauty'. 

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2010 - 12:45AM #32
Bawalker
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Appy,


That is why I don't try to be fit now. You have to give up life.  You have to give up everything you love.  Even living longer isn't worth that.  What the heck are you living for?



Back when I started dieting, the guy who wrote the book on Hacker's Dieting warned that you don't burn that many calories exercising.  You exercise because then you will live longer.


And while I do gripe about people who want to go to the weight room and chat, and scream that if you can carry on a conversation you aren't doing enough cardio, exercise does give you an opportunity to socialize.  I do enjoy running in groups, and I've even gone to a bar after a 3 mile run.  I do spinner classes and ab workouts, and chat people up while waiting for class.


Also, I fit my exercise in the hour before or the hour after I go to work.  That way I am only missing one hour a day.


I became convinced that my perception was off.  I didn't understand the limitations of my genetics which no one does until they give 100% effort into trying to fix something that cannot be fixed.



Alot of what I percieved to attribute to my ugliness I would blame on genetics when in reality it was laziness.  My mother and father were not to blame for the bad haircut, child molestor glasses, obesity, or poor taste in clothing.  No, those were brought upon by a lifestyle where I spent my time either at work or holed up in my bedroom on the computer jarking off and playing video games.


I had lots of male friends.  I have always had very good friends of both genders.  My male friends always told me that I was sweet and smart but I was not thin enough or pretty enough.



They probably also had the tact to not tell you about your clinginess.


I had therapy and never had  a personality disorder.



No, but from reading your posts I can tell you have a dismal self image and an unhealthy view of romantic relationships.


I have known many crazy women who could wrap men around their fingers.  They had the right look.  I may not have the personality that someone like Hatman or you would like but I never liked bad boys.



No one, not even Jesus, likes hanging out with someone who is mopey all the time.


The guys I like wouldn't think much of you two either and would not associate with you.



Yeah, a lot of guys think I'm a total douche now.  That's ok, I'm used it because now I know that when a guy sees another guy who is a little bit more sucessful than him when it comes to approaching women, his instinct is to tell everyone what a douche the sucessful guy is.


Not everyone is another's cup of tea.



Yeah, I'll never put in the effort for six pack abs, it's doubtful I'll make six figures as an executive  manager in a sucessful corporation, and I'll never be 6'3" with a 10" dong.


That's ok, plenty of women will settle for takes care of himself, self sufficient, and is fun to be around.  And I'm focusing on those insecure young women who are willing to settle.


Personality does not trump looks.



Let me tell you, I had such a great time as a fat man trying to date women.  Women practically threw themselves at me when I was 250 pounds because women, unlike men, go for personality and never for looks.


When I stopped treating the opposite gender as an alien species, and realized that women, like men, don't find androgynous rolls of fat attractive, I put on a pair of running shoes and went jogging.


That is why 99% of men with options don't choose personable ugly women.  They choose beautiful, that are occasionally also smart and personable.



That's because I have options.  Have I dated some crazies?  Yes.  Am I still occasionally finding out that the girl I was so sure about is crazy a few weeks later? Yes.  Here's the deal.  People can judge you based on your looks immediately, and the good news is that if you don't have any glaringly obvious physical flaws, they will initiate contact.  This is usually done by saying "Hi!" or some variant.  (BTW, as soon as I started losing weight, I noticed that women were actually greeting me as I was in the store, at the park, etc.  I was no longer invisible!)


Once initial contact is established, flirting begins.  This will get you through the sanity checks.  The problem as I am sure you are well aware is that most people can put on a mask of sanity when meeting strangers.


They all are beautiful unless they married too young and their wives did not age well. In that case, the wives usually get dumped.  Men do not love first.  They always lust first.  When a woman has the look they like AND they have some kind of genome compatibility thing going on, they fall in love.



Yeah, I cry myself to sleep every night because every woman I have bedded or will bed had consentual sex with me because I was her one true love, and I am just a horrible lech who was only after getting my hands in her pants.


Women never experience lust at all.


There have been studies where guys actually judged the personalities of ugly women lower than the pesonalities of ugly women.  They tend to think ugly women are less intelligent as well.  That is why women do concentrate on their looks so much.  It works.



And I've met a lot of bitter fat, ugly women.  Sadly, they go hand in hand, and society is partly to blame.  The girl is a little overweight, and can't compete with the other girls so she gets bitter about being single.  Meanwhile, the popular girls get more and more guys and gain confidence through having experience in dating.  It all ends with sitting next to me at a BBW party complaining that all the cute guys at the party brought some "skinny *****" with them.


Both the attitude and the weight can be changed, but often they are not.


 


For every good guy, there are 50 women.



Holy crap!  That means I've got like at least 30 more to go then.  I better get to work!


You have be in the top percentage.  The women they choose may have many good qualities but looks are the minimum requirement.   There are just not enough well-behaved men.



And I know what you are lookign for.  Tell me what is it that you do that makes you deserve a man?  It's almost as if you feel entitled to it.  Yeah, I'd love to date a woman who has a perfect body, a PhD in physics, has been to the moon and is planning a vacation to Mars one day, but sadly Anousheh Ansari is already happily married.


The research shows that men do have that ratio programmed into their brains.  Most women have that ratio. I don't.  Weight has nothing to do with it.



Well aren't you a special snowflake?


 

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2010 - 1:52PM #33
appy20
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"And I've met a lot of bitter fat, ugly women.  Sadly, they go hand in hand, and society is partly to blame.  The girl is a little overweight, and can't compete with the other girls so she gets bitter about being single.  Meanwhile, the popular girls get more and more guys and gain confidence through having experience in dating.  It all ends with sitting next to me at a BBW party complaining that all the cute guys at the party brought some "skinny *****" with them.


Both the attitude and the weight can be changed, but often they are not."


I don't think women who are thin or are of normal weight are bitches.  I do not resent beautiful women.  Nor am I jealous of them.  I have never complained that they were.  They have different burdens.  Being thin or fat has nothing to do with character.  For most of my life, I have been thin.  Shaped wrong, but thin.  There are thin women that are wonderful human beings and there are fat women that are wonderful human beings and vice versa.  People tend to think less of fat women and make certain assumptions.  The current research is saying that not all women who are fat can do anything about it other than bypass surgery.  I have an excellent attitude.  I don't get down over my appearance. I am just brutally honest about it.


"Holy crap!  That means I've got like at least 30 more to go then.  I better get to work!"


No, you aren't a good guy.  LOL.  You are a Playa.


You have be in the top percentage.  The women they choose may have many good qualities but looks are the minimum requirement.   There are just not enough well-behaved men.



And I know what you are lookign for.  Tell me what is it that you do that makes you deserve a man?  It's almost as if you feel entitled to it.  Yeah, I'd love to date a woman who has a perfect body, a PhD in physics, has been to the moon and is planning a vacation to Mars one day, but sadly Anousheh Ansari is already happily married.


I don't ask of a man anything I don't ask of myself.  I don't get drunk.  I don't do strip clubs.  I don't do porn. I don't cheat.  I am not visual.  I don't confuse character with looks.  I have no desire for six pack abs, or wealth.  I am intelligent.  I want someone with at least my IQ and education level.  I don't lie.  I can weather the tough situations of life.  I can be content.   Those are all traits I want in a man.  There are men that have them but competition is stiff for those guys.  I do have enough self-esteem to not expect any less.  Yes, I do deserve it.  I have lived a consistently decent life.


The research shows that men do have that ratio programmed into their brains.  Most women have that ratio. I don't.  Weight has nothing to do with it.



"Well aren't you a special snowflake?"


No, you just don't know anything about genetics.  Body shape and ratio has nothing to do with either.  I have the same ratio and shape fat as I do thin.  All nonmenopausal women do.  Shape and ratio only changes with hormone changes of adolescence and menopause.  I get my shape from my mother's side of the family.  My ratio, like all women has been consistent but it is outside the norm. 


"Back when I started dieting, the guy who wrote the book on Hacker's Dieting warned that you don't burn that many calories exercising.  You exercise because then you will live longer."


My mother is 86 and never exercised a day in her life.  She also eats lousy.  My family is long-lived and I have been the most active of the lot.  My morbidly obese grandmother married a thin guy.   The offspring that inherited my grandmother's genes, lived long, never exercised and never even had medication for ANYTHING in their last years.  The only ones with heart and cancer were the ones that were thin.  You can't trump genes.  If I have inherited my father's genes, there  is nothing that I can do to ward off heart disease.  My father was thin, fit and healthy and had his first heart attack at 42.  My mother was unfit, smoked for 55 years, never exercised, ate fried food all of the time and got lung cancer at age 86.  Until then, nothing.  If I get my father's genes, nothing can prevent the problems. If I have my mother's genes, I will be okay.


"They probably also had the tact to not tell you about your clinginess."


I have never been clingy in my life.  I have never felt like I needed a man.  I get criticized for being too independent and aloof.  I am only aloof if I am not interested.   Plus, if clinginess were the issue, it would have been a lot easier for them to say that than to say that I wasn't attractive or tell me that I am fat. 


"Alot of what I percieved to attribute to my ugliness I would blame on genetics when in reality it was laziness.  My mother and father were not to blame for the bad haircut, child molestor glasses, obesity, or poor taste in clothing.  No, those were brought upon by a lifestyle where I spent my time either at work or holed up in my bedroom on the computer jarking off and playing video games."


At my lowest weight, I weighed 105 lbs and was working out 10 hour a day.  People still considered me fat.  My body shape made my look that way.   I gave it my all and genetics cannot be undone.  For 47 out of 50 years, I have been either at a good weight for, for a short time, underweight.  I paid my dues to exercise and nutrition for a long, long time.


Your problem is that you are a narcissist and because you are so you believe that everyone has your failings.   You believe that we all have your genetics.   You believe that there are no genes other than yours.  That is just not true.  The human race was not made in your image.  Women, especially, were not made in your image.  You are also very ignorant about genetics and biology. 


As for depression, most women with depression attract men.  Men don't care if they are attracted to you.  I am not depressed now at all and still would not be most men's cup of tea physically.


"No, but from reading your posts I can tell you have a dismal self image and an unhealthy view of romantic relationships."


 


I have discussed this in therapy.  My therapist is the one that taught me to accept my physical limitations.  It was my therapist that taught me to realize, many years ago, that I can be ugly and happy.  I can accept my limitations without being depressed about them.  What you don't get is that while I am aware of my limitations, that does not mean they depress me.  They don't.   I don't define myself according to my physical appearances.  However, that does not mean that men do not.  Men do go for visual first.   I don't mope.  I haven't been depressed in years.  I am officially considered depression free.  I also don't have unhealthy view of romantic relationships.  I have a realistic view and they are not for me.  Several therapists have agreed that relationships are not for everyone.  I see relationships accurately, I just don't like them.   Remember, my views came from research and I didn't write the research.  My therapists have also read the same research.  None of them has ever said I was wrong.  They also validate my right to reject them.


I don't have a lousy self-image.  I think I am wonderful.  I have overcome a lot of obstacles in my life without help from others.  I never got a serious leg-up from anyone.  I am smart and sensible.   I have a lot of integrity.  I do a lot for other people.  I took care of my mother and supported her 100% for 14 years.   I have saved a couple of lives.  I am considerate of others.  At work, I build people up rather than tear them down.  Those that need me that God puts in my path, I serve.  I look after animals that no one else wants and give them the best care possible.  I have been a very good friend to my friends.  I have a sincere beauty that one cannot see in my body. I like me and would not change a thing.   Even my looks.  They may be ugly but they are mine.


What you don't get is that I don't need to be beautiful.  Beauty is only useful in dating.  I have never lived to date.  When I was young, I did try, gave it my best and it is just not what I was designed to do.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2010 - 11:17PM #34
Bawalker
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Appy,


Serious question, but have you ever been diagnosed with anything on the autism spectrum?


Also, my genetics are not that special.  If I didn't work hard to get where I am today, I would be a 30 y/o autistic manchild who got fired from every fast food joint in the jerkwater town I grew up in.  I'd be fat, miserable, and my shining moment in life would be that one time in 2002 when I was making insane amounts of money for no effort on my part.


I'm not a narcisist, I'm just someone who puts in effort in life, and enjoys the rewards.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 01, 2010 - 9:29AM #35
appy20
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Jan 29, 2010 -- 11:17PM, Bawalker wrote:


Appy,


Serious question, but have you ever been diagnosed with anything on the autism spectrum?


Also, my genetics are not that special.  If I didn't work hard to get where I am today, I would be a 30 y/o autistic manchild who got fired from every fast food joint in the jerkwater town I grew up in.  I'd be fat, miserable, and my shining moment in life would be that one time in 2002 when I was making insane amounts of money for no effort on my part.


I'm not a narcisist, I'm just someone who puts in effort in life, and enjoys the rewards.




You are a narcissist because you think that everyone is made in your image.  You think that your genetics are the pattern for everyone else.  You don't recognize differences. You hate traits about yourself and see them in others.    You also have contempt for those that have no use for you.  Ugly women who don't give purpose to your pecker are below contempt for you.  Classic narcissism.  You are also unable to walk in another person's shoes. One reason for that is that you think your shoes should fit them. Classic narcissism.  Genetics do differ and some folks do get less than great ones.  My physical ones match my mother and her sisters.  None of which married well.  I could have married badly if that had been my goal. Women's romantic status is dictated by appearance.  I never had good choices.   By the way, all women are aware that not all women are not shaped the same.   You just seem to think we are or should be.  Let me give you a little biology lesson although obviously, it isn't your forte.  When women lose weight, they don't spot reduce.  If you doubt that, look it up.  We lose all over.  A dumb woman who never meaures, will think their hips are smaller, the actual ratio has not changed.  This is true of all women.  Most women do get a normal ratio but there are women that do not.  I am only off by a small fraction.  However, the male brain's ratio is unforgiving.  Men are unaware of their brains and will rationalize their lack of attraction but it is because their brain has initially rejected the woman's appearance.  Men do have the upper hand.


As for autism.  I really hate to break it to you but no.  I have excellent social skills.  I have a long stable work history. I have long, close friendships.  I never freeloaded off my parents.  I supported my mother for the first time when I was 17.    I am .4 of an inch off of the ratio.  I have been thin for 47 of my 50 years although guys always thought I was fat. I never thought I was fat. Men always think I am fat.  When I was size 8 in the hips, I was size 0 in the upper body.  Men saw the discrepancy and thought I was fat.  It is the way I am genetically programmed.


You won't keep the weight off.  95% of people don't.  You can condemn 95% of people with a weight loss problem if you want to but that pretty much means you have contempt for 65% of people in Western nations.  Yes, other nations are catching up with us on the obesity front.  Last year, the recommendations for exercise for overweight people increased with the realization that not all people respond the same to exercise.


  I have done the work much longer than you have.  I know what it takes.  It gets harder the older you get.  It also grows horribly boring.  Unless, you go into the physical fitness field, it will get harder to do for you as well for the rest of your life.  Life is not worth giving up to date.  There is too much I want to do and no man is worth it.  They don't give enough.  I didn't feel this way when I was young.  I am no longer young and just don't feel the same way about things.  I have different priorities. 

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 03, 2010 - 9:00PM #36
Bawalker
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Feb 1, 2010 -- 9:29AM, appy20 wrote:

You are a narcissist because you think that everyone is made in your image.  You think that your genetics are the pattern for everyone else.  You don't recognize differences. You hate traits about yourself and see them in others.



There is genetics and there is effort.  I had the genetics to persue just about any intellectual persuit since genetically I was gifted with an above average intelliegence.  However, I am a lowly construction worker (heck half the time I am flagging traffic) because I didn't put forth the effort.


You also have contempt for those that have no use for you. 



I thought I was showing contempt by merely being useless to those I deem unworthy of my presence.  I mean most people thought that my giving up on a career in engineering was out of my complete contempt on golddiggers.


I didn't want that money anyways.


Ugly women who don't give purpose to your pecker are below contempt for you.



It's not that I hate women. I hate people who have been making weak excuses for thier life.  I know, I know I pulled myself out of sad state in life because of all the privleges as a white middle class male.  I simply used my dad who totally owns this car dealership to pull a few strings, and the rest came from a few good bros from Chi Alpha Omicron Sigma.


Classic narcissism.  You are also unable to walk in another person's shoes. One reason for that is that you think your shoes should fit them. Classic narcissism.



Lack of empathy is more of a autism spectrum thing than narcissism.  Narcissism is not a hip diagnosis these days get with the times.


Genetics do differ and some folks do get less than great ones.  My physical ones match my mother and her sisters.  None of which married well. I could have married badly if that had been my goal.



So this isn't a rant about how no man will ever love you because you aren't a perfect Barbie doll?  This is a ten year rant about how you will never get Anatomically freakish Ken with his Malibu beach house and Porche because you aren't a perfect Barbie doll.  What exactly is marrying well?


I know, you don't care about money, looks or the size of his car's sports tuned engine, but you simply want a non porn watching blind man who is willing to be your sweetheart from the ground up.


Yeah, I dig that.  I really do, but remember, I used to not care about what kind of woman I wanted.  I just really wanted a woman who was happy to be with a guy who was fat and played video games all day.  Then I realized that there are only two women who find the effort I put into video games sexy and got a life.


Women's romantic status is dictated by appearance.  I never had good choices.



My mom has not had a feminine shape since high school.  She's pretty much round at this point.  Still at 24, she managed to marry my dad, and my dad is quite a catch.  To my knowledge he's never looked at porn, stayed faithful to my mom, and I don't think he's thought about walking out on his family.  He's one of the most decent people I know.


By the way, all women are aware that not all women are not shaped the same.   You just seem to think we are or should be.



I love how you make generalizations about men and women, and I'm the narcisicist.


Let me give you a little biology lesson although obviously, it isn't your forte.  When women lose weight, they don't spot reduce.



And men do?  Really this is news to me.  I was taught that spot reductions don't work and that is why you can laugh at the personal trainer who tells you to do one hour of abs every day to get a six pack.


A dumb woman who never meaures, will think their hips are smaller, the actual ratio has not changed.  This is true of all women.  Most women do get a normal ratio but there are women that do not.  I am only off by a small fraction.



Most men have the optimal ratio of length to girth when it comes to pleasuring a woman.  I however do not, and I have measured this time and time again.  And you know what, I don't think women notice it at all.


However, the male brain's ratio is unforgiving.  Men are unaware of their brains and will rationalize their lack of attraction but it is because their brain has initially rejected the woman's appearance.  Men do have the upper hand.



I know totally, I mean when I am hanging out with my bros and we are talking about the chicks we've been banging.  We go into full critique mode.  As in, you know Erin is really great and all, but her hip to waist ratio is completely wrong.  This is usually in between discussing negs and peacocking techniques.


As for autism.  I really hate to break it to you but no.  I have excellent social skills.  I have a long stable work history. I have long, close friendships.



So have many people who have high functioning autism or Asberger's.


You're posts read as if they were written by a middle aged man who has forsaken female companionship for a doll.


You won't keep the weight off.  95% of people don't.



I don't know about that number, but I'm willing to bet there is a correlation between weight loss success and methodolgy.  I used science to keep my weight off.  Not some hocus pocus Jenny Craig.


You can condemn 95% of people with a weight loss problem if you want to but that pretty much means you have contempt for 65% of people in Western nations.



I don't know we mock poor people in our society as being lazy and/or dumb.  Yet, sociological study after sociological study has not only shown that upward mobility and the American dream are largely dead, but the middle class is disappearing.  Put it simply, most people can't help but to be poor whereas most people are at fault for being fat.


Yes, other nations are catching up with us on the obesity front.  Last year, the recommendations for exercise for overweight people increased with the realization that not all people respond the same to exercise.



Because walking around the block at a slow pace for 30 minutes is not enough exersice if you spend 23 hours of the day in front of a screen or in bed.  Humans were designed to be sedentary only 8 to 12 hours a day!


I have done the work much longer than you have.  I know what it takes.  It gets harder the older you get.  It also grows horribly boring.



I know, it's why I do my cardio in groups, and track my weightlifiting.  I can meet new people three days a week.  Brag to them about my other three days as well.


Life is not worth giving up to date.



You know, if I woke up tomorrow and found out I'd be a shut in the rest of my life.  I would have killed myself.


There is too much I want to do and no man is worth it.  They don't give enough.  I didn't feel this way when I was young.  I am no longer young and just don't feel the same way about things.  I have different priorities. 



Yeah it may be too late for you now, and I don't know how many people in thier 20's are reading this.  But I hope they don't end up like you.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 04, 2010 - 11:25PM #37
parkin
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I'll add my own 2 cents to Ba --


This after you drove another woman from this site by your vindictiveness-


 


Appy you spend way too much time on here insulting others (hours and hours a week I'll bet!) to then pretend that you're much too busy to date.


 


You're too mean to others on this site to let this one slide.  You're a very lonely woman too bitter to date and too busy stroking your own (untested!) morals to give anyone a chance.


 


Lighten up.  Stop your finger-wagging.  Give in to some of your desires and enjoy life a little!

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 05, 2010 - 10:01AM #38
appy20
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Bawalker,


My life is good and exactly as I want it.   Do you have any idea how miserable most women who married are?   I think more young women should work to make themselves happy.  More women should realize that men don't really love and they will waste their lives trying to make silk purses out of sow's ears.


No, I don't have Asperger's syndrome either.  I can, however, spell it.  I have excellent social skills and can read social cues very well. 


A primary trait of narcissism is lack of empathy and is neither hip nor not hip.  It just is.  I actually have lots of empathy for many, many people.  I am burned out on codependent women, though.  


Men are not aware of the wiring in their brains.  They look women over and reject those that don't fit the ratio programmed in their brains.  They have no idea that they are doing it.  They will attribute other flaws to them to explain their disinterest.  That is how it works.  Chances are your mother did fit the ratio when she was young.  Most women do.  Menopause does change the ratio.


You are very wrong about weight loss.  Many, many people have failed dieting while under a doctor's care or obesity' clinics. Many turn to fad diets after the scientific ones fail.  They have the same success rates as fad diets.


I am not making excuses for my life.  You seem to miss that I have been thin for 47 out of 50 years.  Most of that I was in very good shape from a lot of exercise.  I gave it a lot of effort.  I was positive. I was involved in a lot of outside activities.  You have ignored that.  You want to blame me but I paid my dues.  I didn't give up ten years ago.  I gave up 3 years ago.  I was never a slacker like you are.  Now, I am merely retired. 


I don't blame men.  It is the way men are programmed.  If they had not been programmed that way, our species would not have survived.  My point is that they do have a biolgoical advantage.  A few of us fall through the cracks of that biology.  Survival of the fittest means that some are weeded out.  Women have more traits that can go wrong and cause us to be weeded out.  Even if you can't have empathy for me (I don't need it), maybe you should consider that for other girls your age who you may feel the need to ridicule.  It is guys like you that make life hell for young girls that don't fit your narrow-minded mold.


Parkin,


If people are hurt because I don't approve of them or leave BNET for the same reason, they have much bigger problems.   If you think it is mean that other people have different moral values and object to hypocrisy are mean, so be it.  I don't just talk my talk. I walk it and if others choose to walk another talk, fine.  However, they should be honest about it.


No, I am not lonely.  Have plenty of friends thank you.

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 11, 2010 - 2:53PM #39
George
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Depends.  When they are younger, say under 35, women have the advantage.  This is because they still look young, which is what we're attracted to.


However, as men age, they acquire more status, power, and money, which is what women are attracted to.  While, at the same time, women's most attractive asset-their looks-tends to fade with time.  


Accordingly, in middle age, the advantage shifts to the men.


May not be the most politically correct opinion in the world, but it is the way it is.


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Feb 14, 2010 - 3:54AM #40
lil_lamb
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Feb 11, 2010 -- 2:53PM, George wrote:


Depends.  When they are younger, say under 35, women have the advantage.  This is because they still look young, which is what we're attracted to.


However, as men age, they acquire more status, power, and money, which is what women are attracted to.  While, at the same time, women's most attractive asset-their looks-tends to fade with time.  


Accordingly, in middle age, the advantage shifts to the men.


May not be the most politically correct opinion in the world, but it is the way it is.


 


 




another politically incorrect thought: is that a white people thing?

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