| 4 years ago :: Jul 26, 2009 - 12:59AM #11 | |
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Kwalk-
How do you start forgiving yourself? One way that works for me is to get out of myself, and look at myself and my life as if I was looking at the life of a stranger, yet someone I cared for and wished to share joy with. For this purpose, meditation was invaluable. But with all the "kid crazy" that's going on, here's another suggestion: unless one of the children is losing a limb or in imminent danger of shuffling off his or her mortal coil, set aside a "date night" for JUST you and your wife EVERY WEEK(at least one---two might be better). Try to do "random acts of kindness" toward her---leave her notes where only she will find them(on her shopping list, in pockets of her clothing, etc.). Buy her a present(or make one) for no reason whatsoever. Tell her you love her; perhaps get a copy of "Love Languages"(Gary Chapman), and learn what kind of love each of you speak/live, making adaptations as necessary. Above all, exercise kindness, especially when you don't feel much like it. Warmest regards- Hatman
"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
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| 4 years ago :: Jul 27, 2009 - 12:39PM #12 | |
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I can relate to what you are going through. I am going through a similiar emotional experience right now. Although the circumstances are a bit different, ultimately it comes down to makeing the decision of being authentically happy or mustering through life making yourself become happy...which would be a daily battle. With kids envolved it makes things more complicated. Do you make the decision based on what is better for them or you? Or is that decision one of the same. I feel that life is short. A person needs to make the best decision for themselves...for their authentic happiness. Yes it is important to consider all ramifications and process everything, but in the end it is yourself that has to live with the decisions made, you will be the one left with the decsions you made for your lifetime. Children grow up and move on with their life. They make their life's decisions as well. Follow your gut. |
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| 4 years ago :: Jul 29, 2009 - 11:40AM #13 | |
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I don't disagree with anything that's been said so far. All of it sounds good to me. There's something I've learned though, and its become very important to me: your life isn't all about you. But if it isn't all about you, at least some part of your life is about you. And there is solace there. Wishing you and yours the best! |
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| 4 years ago :: Jul 29, 2009 - 11:35PM #14 | |
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Hi, Kwatk. Good for you to think and reflect and try. Marriage is hard to do. Happiness is hard to come by. Done right, both are worthwhile.
This question causes me to wonder whether you're doing them right. You're not going to become happy by finding your soulmate. It's more likely to go the other way 'round - you find your soulmate because you've become happy. (And it's possible that the soulmate you hope to find will be your wife.) The first question I'd like to ask you is this: Is your wife making you unhappy? Is she hostile, or uncaring, or unsupportive? Is she making your life worse by her actions, behaviors or attitudes? Is she unwilling or unable to work with you to improve your marriage? If you can't honestly answer "yes" to one of those questions then I'd strongly urge you not to fix on your partner as the source of your unhappiness. That's unfair to her, and it isn't going to help you. I'm not suggesting that you have to stay and make things work with her. I am suggesting that she's not the problem, and replacing her is not the answer. Whether you end up staying with her or leaving, I'm assuming that you don't want to hurt her or the children, and that you don't want to end up unhappier and more frustrated than you are now. I recommend that you change your perspective and stop focusing on your wife and even your relationship as the thing to fix. Treat her with the respect due to the mother of your children and the affection due to someone you have loved, and work on yourself. It sounds to me like you have some issues to deal with relative to your personal equilibrium, and it's been my experience that you can't really have a deep and successful relationship with anyone else until you've become comfortable and content with yourself. I don't know enough about your background or situation to suggest whether you'd do better working on yourself while you're with her, or while living separately, but I will tell you that I have rarely seen someone get happier by focusing on improving someone or something outside themselves. I have, however, seen a number of people burn bridges and destroy relationships but assuming that their inner discontent can be healed by someone else. Best of luck to you, La
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| 4 years ago :: Jul 30, 2009 - 6:30AM #15 | |
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Hi! Happiness doesn't mean to be gathered. You're in trouble and it's not easy to face with them.Your kids is too young,so you must have the responsibilites for them. First,if the family is the problem with you,you can choose devorce.it's good for all.Your kids don't know exactly situation of their parents,so devorce in this time is the best choice. You not a man but also a father,u must be a moral support for kids.let find out the happiness from your kids,cause happiness is surround you. Marriage is love,acceptance,empathy.if one thing disappears,its not marriage. Let stay and do your duty,do for kids. Best warm |
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| 4 years ago :: Jul 30, 2009 - 12:40PM #16 | |
Our need to learn should always outweigh our need to be right
Useless Knowledge: Allodoxaphobia - Fear of opinions |
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| 4 years ago :: Jul 31, 2009 - 10:49AM #17 | |
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What was the 'contract' you agreed to when you got married? If it was, "we'll stay together as long as we both are having fun, being 100% fulfilled by the other person and things are GREAT", then, by all means, hit the door and get that divorce finished. However, if the 'contract' you made was the standard 'for better or for worse, etc.', you need to HONOUR the agreement or renegotiate it so that YOUR WIFE and your children are willing to change the terms. The contract is bigger than YOU are and the REALITY is your next relationship with look pretty much like this one and in about 10 years, you'll be posting this again. I agree with the poster who suggested that you could stay and 'risk' being happy with your wife. I admit my bias is that my ex-husband decided he was MISERABLE and the cause was our marriage -- NOTE that up until the day he said he wanted out he said NOTHING about being unhappy and 'acted as if' all was fine and dandy. He 'pretended' to do a year and half of counseling but really he was working on an exit strategy so that he could have fun (defined as a motor bike, sports car, multiple other women, part-time parenthood). Even though in my heart, our wedding vows MEANT the standard 'for better or for worse', in reality they were humanist vows that essentially said "I will support you in being the person you want to be", so I gave him a divorce. I also truly believe that LOVE (writ large) means doing whatever is within your power to support and contribute to the happiness of the person you love -- even if you do not agree with it or it makes you less than happy. Also, our daughter (who was 9 at the time) told a counselor "If living together you are making each other unhappy, then why would you live together?" [Yes, she is a very, very old and wise soul and our separation agreement gives HER the right (when she is an adult) to question us and call us to account for our choices and our mismanagement of the family that changed her life.] In spite of being divorced, I am still emotionally and psychically 'married' to my ex to the point that the idea of having a physical relationship with another is nauseating - I go on a date and a guy tries to hold my hand and I recoil. Intellectually, I WANT to move on (and am heading back into therapy to try to get 'there'), but unfortunately my SOUL doesn't 'get it'. My prayer to the Divine is to do one of 3 things: Restore my marriage; Take away my feelings of being bound by my vows; or make it so that I am 'okay' with how I feel. OH, and the collateral damage may be children -- yours and other people's. My ex has already had one ill-fated relationship with a single mom of 2. He 'promised' her kids he would be their 'dad' and for a few months my kid got 'bonus' siblings. Those kids (who are younger and less grounded than our kid) are still pretty devastated over losing yet another male figure in their lives. So, I recommend that if you and your wife have NOT done joint DEEP therapy and mutually AGREED to change the rules you got married under, you have not done the work to get out. |
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| 4 years ago :: Aug 06, 2009 - 4:58AM #18 | |
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I think that you state that you are no longer in love with your wife. But do you love her? Your marriage has become more about the kids. How much are you involved with the kids? I am certainly not against divorce. I've been divorced twice myself. I do think that you should give your family a good, fair chance first. |
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| 4 years ago :: Aug 06, 2009 - 9:01AM #19 | |
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Dear sir, I have been through a divorce too, and i think the grass is not greener on the other side of marriage, think about the 3 children and paying child support for 3 will be high. then you most deffinately do not want to take the kids away from there mom because that will cause great dammage to the kids, , then if you find your soul mate and have to mix your kids with her, believe me,, it never works there is always jealosy between the new wife and the kids. Just wait a few years until the kisd are grown up, maybe then ? you really cannot see the other side of divorce until you have been there and it is not fun....but then again maybe you will have a better experience with it than i did, Peace to you, liz |
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| 4 years ago :: Aug 06, 2009 - 9:31AM #20 | |
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I am on the opposite end where we both took each other for granted ...just got by day to day. He left me for another woman after 18 years and she is now pregnant. Would I still take him back , yes as God would want. Make time for each other, even it is taking a walk and holding hands. Go someplace beautiful and make love where it is just the two of you. Say you love each other every day and hugs and kiss before going to sleep. So many things I wish we had done in the beginning and now I know it is too late. Don't give up without trying everything and most of all keep praying to the man above for answers. They will come to you. God bless and I hope it works out. |
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