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5 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2008 - 6:11AM #51
Ethelq5
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next time if you feel uncomfortable or if your unhappy with something...don't try to conceal it just to please her...she needs to know exactly how you feel...it's just normal to be upset or disappointed but it is not so normal to act as if you're ok when in fact you are not...don't be such a great pretender...if you really wanted to go in that trip, why you didn't insist????who knows, she only wants you to insist but since you said it's fine and you wont take it against her...she didn't take her word back...

....hmmm, you both need a break...go plan a vacation for the two of you and unwind...rekindle that good old feelin...goodLuck....
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 19, 2008 - 12:41PM #52
ArnieBeeGut
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rickyvilleza wrote:

Yes, there is a communication problem.  That's what we need to work on.
That's what you all can help me with.

Ricky,
There is a group devoted to interpersonal communication skills here, and you are more than welcome to join.  There is a way to interact with your girlfriend that can be more effective with regards to your understanding her more clearly as well as she understanding you better.

Blessings,
Arnie

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 19, 2008 - 1:04PM #53
fortheloveofmorgan
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[QUOTE=Tmarie64;419483]Who can blame a "GIRLFRIEND" for not putting a BOYFRIEND ahead of her job???
What commitment is there in "GIRLFRIEND"???  None.
I wouldn't tell my career to jump in a lake I'm goin' on vacation, for a BOYfriend. 
I wouldn't suggest anyone put a boy FRIEND over what pays the bills.[/QUOTE]

A-MEN sista! My first marriage was abusive and now it is all on me to provide for
my daughter and me and even though my current husband is great, I still have to know
that I could provide for just the two of us again if I had to.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 19, 2008 - 1:08PM #54
Tmarie64
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fortheloveofmorgan wrote:

A-MEN sista! My first marriage was abusive and now it is all on me to provide for
my daughter and me and even though my current husband is great, I still have to know
that I could provide for just the two of us again if I had to.



Yes, you owe it to her to be sure of that.  She did not ask to be born.   No matter what, we owe our kids some sense of security and stability.

James Thurber - "It is better to know some of the questions than all of the answers."
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 19, 2008 - 1:29PM #55
appy20
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Well, I don't know of many people that can really thrive living on the streets and most people do have to support themselves these days.

That is a good point about it being a boyfriend.  There is no commitment there and she doesn't have legal protection of any sort if she gives up everything and they break up.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2008 - 3:20PM #56
DAH54
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It would seem to me that your girlfriend has made a real comment on the relative importance she choose to place on both you and your relationship. I have no idea how open your communication is with your girlfriend. If you feel unable to express your dissatisfaction with your girlfriends choices, then your relationship is IMHO lacking something important. If you feel the need to maintain that the failure to hold up her commitment to you is no big deal, when in your mind it is, you are merely robbing her of a chance to show how much she actually values you. It would appear that at some level you question your own importance, and worth, both in your mind, and in her mind. Or perhaps you question her worth? In that you believe she is over paid for what she does, and she could not find another job paying what her current jo does?

It seems to me this is all about worth, and value. Someone has made a comment on the worth of three days with you. On the worth of their word, and how much they value time with you. Yes the report might be do this month, but unless I am wrong this month is not even half way over yet. 72 hours is unlikely to make that real much difference when spread out over the rest of the month. Could this crises be simply an excuse for avoidance of something that she feels she is unready for?

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2008 - 6:19PM #57
DAH54
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KatherineOrthodixie wrote:

As a personal favor, dah, arnie and ricky, would you please share with me where you have worked that will allow you to take off for vacation no matter what's going on at work, in the middle of an important project?

Because I've never worked anywhere like that - nor has my husband, and I think I'd like to give these kinds of workplaces a whirl.


Sure katherine, but would you first show me where he states that she was required to worked on that weekend? I read that she decided to work, that it was her choice. IMHO that means she either doesn't value her word and her commitment, or she feels she is over paid for what she does and does not want to **risk** losing this job.

Every project I was involved in was important to someone, and I am sorry but no one is so important that they can't be replaced. Anyone believing they are that important should IMHO read what the Bible has to say about pride. Where I worked Kathrine the company understood that employees did a better job when they got time off for vacation. It is a Biblical concept (rest). And I was valued enough to be required to need to schedule that time in advance. It was understood that I schedule time and services of other people during that time. The company I chose to work for was not so arrogant that they believe that they where the only one that actually mattered.  Shrug...

I see words that suggest to me it was her choice. Her desire. Her fear. She offered to cut short her time with her child.... Key word being offered, IMHO.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2008 - 7:11PM #58
DAH54
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rickyvilleza wrote:

Wow! I'm getting such good and varied responses to 'Vacation' that I'm going to forego my assessment of myself as an immature jerk or a reasonable boyfriend until it's finished. My girlfriend though today read me the riot act and wrote me a pretty nasty letter asking me not to contact her and how angry I made her so I said ok. I apologized by e-mail and thanked her sincerely for our ten months together. Then she e-mailed back and said she didn't mean it was over, she just needs some time. She's under pressure for a bunch of other reasons.
Thank you all for your responses so far.
Please feel free to pummel me some more, or otherwise.
I just want to know what's right


One of the first questions that **should** have been asked is how often does this happen? Granted one might not make many vacation plans in the course of a year, but if she truly is a self center person, you will be able to find other examples of it in your relationship.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2008 - 7:34PM #59
DAH54
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I find it interesting how quickly we choose to turn to deception. We pretend that we are so important that only we can fix the problem. We pretend that only we know how to do the thing. That no other can replace us. For many that is a source of pride. It creates the illusion that the world revolves around us, and others must accept us and we have time for them. It robs people of power.

You have been I believe accused of being selfish simply because you chose to believe your girlfriend was mature enough to hear how you felt. To share your "feelings" with her. I personally find it sad how quick in general women are to claim men don't *share* feelings and emotions and yet when we do, they condemn us for doing so.

How often they wish us to accept their choices unilaterally. How often we are to suppress our emotions and feelings, because what we are feeling is wrong in some way. It is so much better for the relationship to simply pretend. To suggest that out of thirty days, one particular set of three is so much more important that the remaining 27. That it would be totally impossible to make up for that three by staying late over the remaining 27, or even 15!

Shrug there is a word called manipulation, your girlfriend wants control based on what I see of what you have posted, and she is willing to manipulate you. That does not make for a happy relationship, IMHO. Words have meaning, she requested that you not contact her as punishment for daring to question her right to break her commitment to you. Think long and hard about what you are agreeing to if you choose to continue this relationship, and how much you actually value yourself. There is more than one fish in the ocean, and no one is irreplaceable. If you don't know that at a very deep level you are not ready to date.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2008 - 8:57PM #60
DAH54
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rickyvilleza wrote:

What's interesting is that she e-mailed me last Wednesday how wonderful a man I was. "Thank you for who you are", she said. She told me on Sunday that she had never met a man like me, et. Very Loving. Then, she told me last night that she was going to tell me something that would probably make me mad. So it did, and now I'm not the most wonderful man in the world, I'm an immature selfish person.


Well she appears to be consistent at least in the sense the world revolves around her and what she wants and she feels is important. That you can express anything you wish just be darn sure it is what she believes at that moment or you will be wrong.

Now Arnie can teach you all about not judging her, and he can enable you to survive in this relationship, and endure much pain. I have heard that if you bring up the heat slowly enough a frog will not jump out of a pot of boiling water. :) You too can learn to be a frog.


rickyvilleza wrote:

To be fair to her she's under pressure, some of it due to the trauma she went through her previous marriage (she was physically assaulted).


Say what? She was abused, so now she has a right to abuse two, three, four or more people? And they inturn get to each abuse more?
I don't think so. Some things are simply right or wrong, to pretend that there is nothing wrong here is very self serving, IMHO. It enables those who chose to do it.


rickyvilleza wrote:

But some of it her own doing. She not only pissed me off, but her other female friend that was also going to go on the trip and won't now. so she's dealing with a huge project, pissing off her boyfriend and her best friend and fighting her ex husband for phsyical spousal abuse. She just snapped today and let me have it.


Right we can always keep coming up with excuses as to why she chose to think of only herself, or to place herself first. You can lie to yourself and pretend she is the best you can do, or the best that you deserve. I sincerely hope that she is very good at what ever she does for you, because you will pay a high cost to retain her services.

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