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4 years ago  ::  Dec 17, 2008 - 8:42PM #1
easiand
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Hi all

I have just come out of a relationship of 18 months that has completely destroyed my life. Last July I met a French lady who seemed at the time to be kind, very spiritual and the person I had been looking for all of my life. At the time I had just sold my share of a company, had a good relationship with my grown up daughter and grandaughter, a lovely flat and was preparing to open a new business. I met the woman through my daughter as she had a young toddler who went to parents and toddlers with my grandchild.

From almost the time we met she took over my life and within a week I had moved out of my flat and into hers. She then created over next to nothing an argument with my daughter that created a rift between me and my daughter for the first time ever. At the start of the relationship I was strong and used to argue back and stand my own ground but gradually I was worn down. I quickly discovered she had an alcohol problem and used to binge drink massive amounts. She also had a massive anger problem that caused lots of problems between us. She used to constantly put me down calling me stupid and paranoid and played lots of mind games including the Jealosy game. She told me early in our relationship of her previous sexual exploits and also of how she cheated on her husband 3 times. She used to also deliberately ignore her mobile when I called and then tell me she didn't feel like talking. She would be affectionate for a few days and then cold and distant for weeks as well as argumentative. I can't put all the details of the relationship here as I'm in the UK and it's early hours of the morning and I could write for hours.

When I first met her I believed her to be a very spiritual person going to meditation and Yoga but then soon realised that was just a cover. She had been through a very abusive childhood which had left her very cold and calculating. I also had an abusive childhood but spent 3 years of counselling dealing with it and built a good life for myself and had a good relationship with my daughter despite breaking up with her mother. I had also had a severe gambling addiction in my younger years which I had recovered from.

In the time I was with this partner we had split up 7 or 8 times but I still kept going back. In the last couple of months I was made redundant from my job and actually returned to the gambling problem I had been off for more than 20 years( I'm assumuing with the stress). I seemed to regress back to my childhood when there was trouble at home and seemed to respond to her as I did to my father all those years ago. I would constantly try to please her without result and apologise even if I wasn't wrong.My friends and family all got fed up with me going back to her each time and completely lost interest in me and the relationship.

We have now I believe gone through our final split. Money was an important part of our relationship to her and I now have no job and no savings. Most of the money I had when we met was spent on her. I have a career and am still sought after by companies in my industry. I am staying with a friend for a few weeks until I can get somewhere else. I am back in touch with my daughter who although says she has forgiven me no longer trusts me. I seem to have lost all confidence and belief in myself and cant seem to motivate myself to move forward. I still spend a lot of time thinking about her and can't seem to accept what the relationship really was. I do have christian beliefs and have prayed for guidance which hasn't come. I just feel completely lost and can't find my path
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 17, 2008 - 8:42PM #2
easiand
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Hi all

I have just come out of a relationship of 18 months that has completely destroyed my life. Last July I met a French lady who seemed at the time to be kind, very spiritual and the person I had been looking for all of my life. At the time I had just sold my share of a company, had a good relationship with my grown up daughter and grandaughter, a lovely flat and was preparing to open a new business. I met the woman through my daughter as she had a young toddler who went to parents and toddlers with my grandchild.

From almost the time we met she took over my life and within a week I had moved out of my flat and into hers. She then created over next to nothing an argument with my daughter that created a rift between me and my daughter for the first time ever. At the start of the relationship I was strong and used to argue back and stand my own ground but gradually I was worn down. I quickly discovered she had an alcohol problem and used to binge drink massive amounts. She also had a massive anger problem that caused lots of problems between us. She used to constantly put me down calling me stupid and paranoid and played lots of mind games including the Jealosy game. She told me early in our relationship of her previous sexual exploits and also of how she cheated on her husband 3 times. She used to also deliberately ignore her mobile when I called and then tell me she didn't feel like talking. She would be affectionate for a few days and then cold and distant for weeks as well as argumentative. I can't put all the details of the relationship here as I'm in the UK and it's early hours of the morning and I could write for hours.

When I first met her I believed her to be a very spiritual person going to meditation and Yoga but then soon realised that was just a cover. She had been through a very abusive childhood which had left her very cold and calculating. I also had an abusive childhood but spent 3 years of counselling dealing with it and built a good life for myself and had a good relationship with my daughter despite breaking up with her mother. I had also had a severe gambling addiction in my younger years which I had recovered from.

In the time I was with this partner we had split up 7 or 8 times but I still kept going back. In the last couple of months I was made redundant from my job and actually returned to the gambling problem I had been off for more than 20 years( I'm assumuing with the stress). I seemed to regress back to my childhood when there was trouble at home and seemed to respond to her as I did to my father all those years ago. I would constantly try to please her without result and apologise even if I wasn't wrong.My friends and family all got fed up with me going back to her each time and completely lost interest in me and the relationship.

We have now I believe gone through our final split. Money was an important part of our relationship to her and I now have no job and no savings. Most of the money I had when we met was spent on her. I have a career and am still sought after by companies in my industry. I am staying with a friend for a few weeks until I can get somewhere else. I am back in touch with my daughter who although says she has forgiven me no longer trusts me. I seem to have lost all confidence and belief in myself and cant seem to motivate myself to move forward. I still spend a lot of time thinking about her and can't seem to accept what the relationship really was. I do have christian beliefs and have prayed for guidance which hasn't come. I just feel completely lost and can't find my path
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 17, 2008 - 11:54PM #3
ArnieBeeGut
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easiand,

Welcome to the Divorce & Separation Forum, and sorry for what brought you here.  There are many caring members here who are happy to share their thoughts and listen.  I hope you find it a worthwhile experience.

You are torn between two opposing polarities.  Part of you recognizes that this relationship was a destructive one, another part of you feels helplessly still draw to her.  Part of you accepts that it is over, another part of you is still hoping for a reconciliation.  You are also recognizing your own behaviors that were problematic in the past reappearing, and that has contributed to your losing confidence in yourself you once possessed.

You are also recognizing that the patterns of trying to please and appease were similar to a childhood one.  Somehow it has not been possible for you to be able to stand your ground when you know you are in the right.  I wish it were possible to give some magic words to somehow move things forward.  Are you able to talk with your family and friends now and share your thoughts and feelings?

Blessings,
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 18, 2008 - 12:01AM #4
Hatman
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easiand wrote:

Hi all

I have just come out of a relationship of 18 months that has completely destroyed my life. Last July I met a French lady who seemed at the time to be kind, very spiritual and the person I had been looking for all of my life. At the time I had just sold my share of a company, had a good relationship with my grown up daughter and grandaughter, a lovely flat and was preparing to open a new business. I met the woman through my daughter as she had a young toddler who went to parents and toddlers with my grandchild.

From almost the time we met she took over my life and within a week I had moved out of my flat and into hers. She then created over next to nothing an argument with my daughter that created a rift between me and my daughter for the first time ever. At the start of the relationship I was strong and used to argue back and stand my own ground but gradually I was worn down. I quickly discovered she had an alcohol problem and used to binge drink massive amounts. She also had a massive anger problem that caused lots of problems between us. She used to constantly put me down calling me stupid and paranoid and played lots of mind games including the Jealosy game. She told me early in our relationship of her previous sexual exploits and also of how she cheated on her husband 3 times. She used to also deliberately ignore her mobile when I called and then tell me she didn't feel like talking. She would be affectionate for a few days and then cold and distant for weeks as well as argumentative. I can't put all the details of the relationship here as I'm in the UK and it's early hours of the morning and I could write for hours.

When I first met her I believed her to be a very spiritual person going to meditation and Yoga but then soon realised that was just a cover. She had been through a very abusive childhood which had left her very cold and calculating. I also had an abusive childhood but spent 3 years of counselling dealing with it and built a good life for myself and had a good relationship with my daughter despite breaking up with her mother. I had also had a severe gambling addiction in my younger years which I had recovered from.

In the time I was with this partner we had split up 7 or 8 times but I still kept going back. In the last couple of months I was made redundant from my job and actually returned to the gambling problem I had been off for more than 20 years( I'm assumuing with the stress). I seemed to regress back to my childhood when there was trouble at home and seemed to respond to her as I did to my father all those years ago. I would constantly try to please her without result and apologise even if I wasn't wrong.My friends and family all got fed up with me going back to her each time and completely lost interest in me and the relationship.

We have now I believe gone through our final split. Money was an important part of our relationship to her and I now have no job and no savings. Most of the money I had when we met was spent on her. I have a career and am still sought after by companies in my industry. I am staying with a friend for a few weeks until I can get somewhere else. I am back in touch with my daughter who although says she has forgiven me no longer trusts me. I seem to have lost all confidence and belief in myself and cant seem to motivate myself to move forward. I still spend a lot of time thinking about her and can't seem to accept what the relationship really was. I do have christian beliefs and have prayed for guidance which hasn't come. I just feel completely lost and can't find my path



easiand-
I want to sleep on this one(and it's kinda late right now and I'm tired), but my first impression is that there are still some lessons from the past you didn't learn properly, as well as perhaps a masochistic streak.

If what you describe is an accurate reflection of your relationship with this woman, you let her be the boss, and she lost respect for you, as demonstrated by her using you and playing mind-f*** games with your head.

Have you had enough of being beaten down, yet?  Is the relationship truly over, or is this yet another interlude before returning, like a moth to a candle's flame?

Does it really hurt so good, or has the hurting now taught you all you need to know?

BTW, I've seen this in reverse any number of times, too; I've sheltered women who'd been battered, some quite badly, who spent their days and much of their conversation talking badly about the man/men who'd beaten them as their cuts and bruises healed---only to see them leave and run back to the punching machine.  Frankly, I don't understand the mentality, but I suppose there's a need for victims as much as(or as long as) someone wants to be the victimizer.

Warmest regards-

Hatman

"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 18, 2008 - 5:51AM #5
easiand
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thanks for your replies which have already given me some things to think about. As I said in my original post I couldn't put all the details in as it was very late and there was too much information to write. In answer to a couple of questions that have been asked Yes I am able now to talk a little to my friends and daughter about what happened. they do sympathise but don't understand entirely which is not surprising as I don't either. My daughter has said that she wishes she never introduced us seeing what has happened to me. She also said that it wasn't until we'd been together a couple of months that she realised what she was really like as she was taken in too.Mostly I'm told to move on and get over it which is easier said than done.

A masochistic streak?  I suppose now I'd say yes after what I've been through but a couple of years ago no. I've never experienced anything like this before and previous relationships have always been fairly loving and when they've finished have finished amicably. My daughters Mother and I have remained friends for many years after we split.

One of the things I didn't really go into in my original post was that this woman also had children one 15 and one only 3. The 15 year old I got on well with and he was very upset when it all went wrong. He once confided in me that he was waiting until he was old enough to leave his mum but was worried about leaving his younger sister. His dad had been gone for years but the man he called his dad was actually her ex husband who she had had a relationship with about 5-6 years ago and then divorced. He was still in regular contact with him and stayed with him some weekends. He also gave her financial support for him despite the fact they were no longer together and the boy wasn't his. Her daughter was born out of a casual relationship where her father actually said " I am happy to give you a child but I want nothing to do with it". He kept his word and although up until she met me carried on the casual relationship never visited or had anything to do with his daughter. I got quite close to her daughter as I was with her for almost half her life. My partner encouraged her to call me dad from early in the relationship which I didn't mind as in real terms ahe had no father and her mother seemed to have problems being emotionally close to her. The little girl was used as emotional blackmail to encourage me back on some of the occasions we split. She rang me and just put her on the phone one time and another time went on a alcohol binge and called me and when I arrived I found the little girl completely distressed late at night had to calm her down and put her to bed.

This time we split was because she got drunk and we had a row (as usual) but this time she attacked me physically. She punched me twice and I restrained her then she ran downstairs to get a knife from the kitchen which her son stopped her doing.

The more I'm writing about this I'm just realising how bad this really was.
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 18, 2008 - 9:49AM #6
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Hi all

I have just come out of a relationship of 18 months that has completely destroyed my life. Last July I met a French lady who seemed at the time to be kind, very spiritual and the person I had been looking for all of my life. At the time I had just sold my share of a company, had a good relationship with my grown up daughter and grandaughter, a lovely flat and was preparing to open a new business. I met the woman through my daughter as she had a young toddler who went to parents and toddlers with my grandchild.

From almost the time we met she took over my life and within a week I had moved out of my flat and into hers. She then created over next to nothing an argument with my daughter that created a rift between me and my daughter for the first time ever. At the start of the relationship I was strong and used to argue back and stand my own ground but gradually I was worn down. I quickly discovered she had an alcohol problem and used to binge drink massive amounts. She also had a massive anger problem that caused lots of problems between us. She used to constantly put me down calling me stupid and paranoid and played lots of mind games including the Jealosy game. She told me early in our relationship of her previous sexual exploits and also of how she cheated on her husband 3 times. She used to also deliberately ignore her mobile when I called and then tell me she didn't feel like talking. She would be affectionate for a few days and then cold and distant for weeks as well as argumentative. I can't put all the details of the relationship here as I'm in the UK and it's early hours of the morning and I could write for hours.

When I first met her I believed her to be a very spiritual person going to meditation and Yoga but then soon realised that was just a cover. She had been through a very abusive childhood which had left her very cold and calculating. I also had an abusive childhood but spent 3 years of counselling dealing with it and built a good life for myself and had a good relationship with my daughter despite breaking up with her mother. I had also had a severe gambling addiction in my younger years which I had recovered from.

In the time I was with this partner we had split up 7 or 8 times but I still kept going back. In the last couple of months I was made redundant from my job and actually returned to the gambling problem I had been off for more than 20 years( I'm assumuing with the stress). I seemed to regress back to my childhood when there was trouble at home and seemed to respond to her as I did to my father all those years ago. I would constantly try to please her without result and apologise even if I wasn't wrong.My friends and family all got fed up with me going back to her each time and completely lost interest in me and the relationship.

We have now I believe gone through our final split. Money was an important part of our relationship to her and I now have no job and no savings. Most of the money I had when we met was spent on her. I have a career and am still sought after by companies in my industry. I am staying with a friend for a few weeks until I can get somewhere else. I am back in touch with my daughter who although says she has forgiven me no longer trusts me. I seem to have lost all confidence and belief in myself and cant seem to motivate myself to move forward. I still spend a lot of time thinking about her and can't seem to accept what the relationship really was. I do have christian beliefs and have prayed for guidance which hasn't come. I just feel completely lost and can't find my path
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This says a lot to me!

Also, Hatman, that is funny you said that because I was thinking she sounded like a domanatrix:

"A dominatrix (from the Latin dominatrix, meaning a female ruler or Mistress; plural dominatrices or dominatrixes) or Mistress is a woman who takes the dominant role in bondage and discipline, dominance and submission or BDSM. The counterpart term for a male dominant is "Master".
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You are on the right path now.  You must know this.  These people are takers.  They are controlling, manipulative, and psycho. 

The longer you are away from her, the better you will feel, and the better your daughter will feel.

I am sorry this happened to you, but I believe you have allowed it because perhaps you just needed a break and to let someone else take control for a while.  (and boy did she)

Sharon
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 19, 2008 - 1:45AM #7
Hatman
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easiand-
I get the impression from reading your last that you care deeply for her 2 children, and want to be there for them---and that she recognizes this desire in you, and uses it to manipulate and fleece you.

What I've learned---both from experience and from lots of reading/observation---is that most people, at a relatively early age, discover what "success" means to them, and continue the pattern that gets them what they want until that activity ceases to get them what they want, what they have defined as "success" for them, and oftentimes, isn't good for them at all...or the people that are in their lives, either.  Apparently, this frenchwoman learned how to get what she wanted by multiple means, some devious, some confrontational, some(probably) via blackmail, and is now stuck in that pattern, one that she is likely either oblivious to or only dimly aware of, as her behavior gets her what she thinks she needs and wants.

But I am no psychiatrist or psychologist, to analyze another's behavior or relationship and provide a course of action to anyone.  I can offer a few suggestions, though:

"Man up."

To me, this means taking responsibility for your actions and reactions, and not trying to blame anyone else. 

"Learn from your mistakes."

What mistakes do you recall making in this relationship, and how did it happen that all of a sudden you woke up broke and emotionally devastated?

The "broke" part you seem to already have a good handle on fixing, as from what you've related, your work history is such that you can find employment relatively easily.

The emotional devastation?  Until I know more, about all I could offer is some general information regarding what many(if not most) women find attractive, and what repulses them, how to relate to women in a way that communicates well, and also allows you to retain the dignity and respect a man deserves(imho).

The only thing I know of that can perhaps help with your recovery from this conwoman would perhaps be to help you stand on your own two feet, solidly planted, to recognize her game immediately, and call her on her crap (in a humorous way, when possible) just as fast while remaining aloof and seemingly disinterested. 

IME, an attitude like this is one that many women seem to find irresistibly attractive.  If you do NOT want her in your life at all anymore, pursue her relentlessly and in a weak-spined way---she'll kick you to the curb with alacrity and dispatch.  Never tell her what you've planned for an evening or a weekend with her and her family, but always ask her what she wants to do.(the foregoing is an example of what most women find to be quite displeasing and off-putting, but there are many more such; I'm certain that a bit of reflection will bring several more to mind.)

IOW, if you want her back, act as if you couldn't care if she lived or died.  If you DON'T want her back at all, treat her like you can't live without her, and she'll light the afterburners, thinking that dumping you was the best thing she ever did in her lifetime.  You'll be rid of her, and she'll think it was her idea.

Never give her any(more) money unless she either works diligently for it, or you get signed, dated, witnessed promissory notes detailing the repayment schedule.  Do not fall for any more manipulation or wheedling or false promises.  If she DOES manage to get you to "loan" her any more money, be certain to sue her as soon as she fails to live up to the repayment schedule.

If you take at least some of the advice above, and amplify the basic principles, adapting them to your situation, you'll soon find your wishbone replaced by a backbone, and have many women finding your resolve and strength to be quite attractive.  For me, nothing heals a broken heart faster than a new love interest who is far superior to the one left behind.

Warmest regards-

Hatman
"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 19, 2008 - 6:06AM #8
easiand
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Thanks Hatman all you've said makes a lot of sense. I think I've spent long enough licking my wounds and now it's time to start fighting to get my life back. Don't think I do want her back again as each time the pattern has repeated and I've left in a worse state than the previous time. My family keep saying to me that whatever I feel for the children they aren't my resposibility and I have to let it go. Now as you say it's time to build myself back up, move on with my life again and put this all down to a very bad experience. Thanks again mate!
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4 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2008 - 11:59AM #9
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You were taken hostage. I was in a relatioship with an alcoholic/drug addict. He lied to me from day one. I would be here all day just trying to remember all his lies. I can tell you what I learned in A.A. Alcoholics take hostages. They find a way to make you feel sorry for them. When you find out it was a lie it is to late. You are a hostage an don't even know it. I wanted so much to believe him. He knew I was lonely. Now I don't trust no one. Time will heal the pain. You will never forget that person. I also learned in A.A. that no one can do something to you unless you let them. What I mean is that you can say no! I know you love her children that makes it hard. But you must think of your family. They don't want to see you in pain no more. Please be strong. Time will heal your pain.

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4 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2008 - 2:10PM #10
ArnieBeeGut
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blueeyes,

Welcome to this corner of Beliefnet!  Your thoughtful words are very much appreciated, and I hope you can continue to share on this forum. It is so valuable to get input from someone who as "been there  and done that."  I am sorry you had an experience with an addict that left you with so little trust - and sharing your experiences can be valuable to so many here who struggle with similar issues.  Your comment about someone not being able to do anything to you without letting them is such a valuable - and difficult - lesson. 

Blessings,
Arnie
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