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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 12:02PM #21
Girlchristian
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Jan 11, 2012 -- 11:49AM, mindis1 wrote:


Good old fashioned American prudery finds such florid ways to express itself. The very fact that there need to be state laws that exempt breastfeeding from public indecency charges--probably most such laws were only enacted within the past couple of decades--speaks volumes. I feel sure that somewhere even this exemption would be circumvented if a woman were seen breastfeeding a 4-year-old, or, God forbid, an incident such as the ending of The Grapes of Wrath. Undoubtedly this book was burned and banned primarily because of this scene, given that Americans don’t generally get upset about the systematic exploitation of the indigent.


In fact, there was a case a few years ago in Minnesota where child abuse charges were brought against a woman who was breastfeeding a 6-year-old. The case was dropped only after it was established that the child was actually 3 years old.





I went to the Amazon with my church last summer and the women there who really are just poor breastfed as long as they possibly could. It was interesting to watch the looks on the faces of some of the Americans when they saw a four year old walk up to its mom, her pull her breast out, and then him start feeding. You don't see that as much here.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 3:24PM #22
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Americans have the most issues with the human body of any western nation it seems like. I hope we can get past this.

The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.

For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gloaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
- J.R.R. Tolkien
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 4:09PM #23
shirleyj227
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Jan 11, 2012 -- 3:24PM, Yavanna wrote:


Americans have the most issues with the human body of any western nation it seems like. I hope we can get past this.




I also hope that. Smile


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 4:12PM #24
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Jan 10, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Erey wrote:


I think tastefull images here there and everywhere of babies being nursed is a good way to build up public tolerance and comfort from what used to be hidden.  Sesame Street is a good a place as any.  Again with everything mamory being covered.  That should not be offensive if it is worked into the plot of the skit.





How can a mother feeding her child not be "tasteful"?


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 4:16PM #25
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Jan 10, 2012 -- 11:38PM, Erey wrote:


Jan 10, 2012 -- 10:59PM, MMarcoe wrote:


Jan 10, 2012 -- 7:24PM, shirleyj227 wrote:


For a country to see a woman feeding her child as a sexual act is totally screwed up. It is the top stupid thing about Americans.


Shirley





This is why women need to let them hang out everywhere, every time, and in every situation. The more they do it, the less we'll associate those boobies with sex. And that'll be good for us.




I think MMarco's example is pretty typical.  Americans don't think breastfeeding is a sexual act, that is beyond ridiculous!  We do think that women's breasts are sexual.  So if a woman has a breast exposed it tends to be a bit distracting for us.   


We don't think urination is a sexual act either (not for most of us anyway) but we do think genitals are sexual.


Personally, even though I nursed two children till they were about 10 months old I still have




You still have what?


Great breasts?


Questions about doing it in public?


What?


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 4:39PM #26
Erey
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Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:16PM, shirleyj227 wrote:


Jan 10, 2012 -- 11:38PM, Erey wrote:


Jan 10, 2012 -- 10:59PM, MMarcoe wrote:


Jan 10, 2012 -- 7:24PM, shirleyj227 wrote:


For a country to see a woman feeding her child as a sexual act is totally screwed up. It is the top stupid thing about Americans.


Shirley





This is why women need to let them hang out everywhere, every time, and in every situation. The more they do it, the less we'll associate those boobies with sex. And that'll be good for us.




I think MMarco's example is pretty typical.  Americans don't think breastfeeding is a sexual act, that is beyond ridiculous!  We do think that women's breasts are sexual.  So if a woman has a breast exposed it tends to be a bit distracting for us.   


We don't think urination is a sexual act either (not for most of us anyway) but we do think genitals are sexual.


Personally, even though I nursed two children till they were about 10 months old I still have




You still have what?


Great breasts?


Questions about doing it in public?


What?


Shirley








No, I am fine with public.  young babies can be so demanding and don't stick to a schedule that you pretty much have to nurse in public if you hope to get out of the house.  I used to shop with a nursing blanket over my chest holding the infant in my arm and pushing a shopping cart. 



I did not fininish my sentance and when I noticed that i had not finished it was too late to edit. 



What I meant to say is that I personally believe in boundaries on the subject.  I knew a few women that nursed their toddlers with absolutely no effort towards any kind of modesty.  If you were in the same room with this woman for more than 5 minutes you undoubtly saw her entire breast. 


I do advocate breast feeding for infants, I do advocate breast feeding in public but I think sane people take a few efforts not to monopolize the entire attention in the room on their breasts. 



This is America, we are distracted by breasts.  Even though most people advocate breast feeding newborns the idea of a woman exposing her naked breasts to whomever they are sharing a public space with is highly distracting and unneccesary.  This is not a society where women run around topless - not that there is anything wrong with that. 



There is nothing wrong with any bodily function but most societies have boundaries around these things. 


If you are nursing a baby, I am not going to dictate how you nurse.  If you want to be discrete, great.  IF not and you want the entire world to see your complete breast, your choice too.  But I tend to think only women who are gunning for attention would go that route.  The same kind of women who think bringing a baby into a court room is a good idea.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 4:58PM #27
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Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:39PM, Erey wrote:


  IF not and you want the entire world to see your complete breast, your choice too.  But I tend to think only women who are gunning for attention would go that route.  The same kind of women who think bringing a baby into a court room is a good idea.




It could aslo be Erey that they just think the breast is natural and if you are looking that is your problem.


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 5:10PM #28
Girlchristian
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Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:58PM, shirleyj227 wrote:


Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:39PM, Erey wrote:


  IF not and you want the entire world to see your complete breast, your choice too.  But I tend to think only women who are gunning for attention would go that route.  The same kind of women who think bringing a baby into a court room is a good idea.




It could aslo be Erey that they just think the breast is natural and if you are looking that is your problem.


Shirley




I think the breast is natural and breast-feeding is 100% natural, although I have still bought a cover-up for when I'm breast-feeding in public. Not everyone feels that way and I can respect that by covering up some.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 5:26PM #29
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Jan 11, 2012 -- 5:10PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:58PM, shirleyj227 wrote:


Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:39PM, Erey wrote:


  IF not and you want the entire world to see your complete breast, your choice too.  But I tend to think only women who are gunning for attention would go that route.  The same kind of women who think bringing a baby into a court room is a good idea.




It could aslo be Erey that they just think the breast is natural and if you are looking that is your problem.


Shirley




I think the breast is natural and breast-feeding is 100% natural, although I have still bought a cover-up for when I'm breast-feeding in public. Not everyone feels that way and I can respect that by covering up some.




You should do what feels confortable and good for your baby GC.


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 11, 2012 - 5:41PM #30
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Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:58PM, shirleyj227 wrote:


Jan 11, 2012 -- 4:39PM, Erey wrote:


  IF not and you want the entire world to see your complete breast, your choice too.  But I tend to think only women who are gunning for attention would go that route.  The same kind of women who think bringing a baby into a court room is a good idea.




It could aslo be Erey that they just think the breast is natural and if you are looking that is your problem.


Shirley





I believe that a respectfull person is aware that any exposed breast is going to suck all of the attention out of the room.  You can have that attitude that don't look at what you don't want to see but I believe polite people see it as a two way street.  I give breast feeding women a bit of space (unless they are actuall friends of mine and are comfortable with me).  The ones with the breasts do their best to be discrete.  Occasional flashes happen.  My kids would on occasion grab hold of the blanket and flip it or sometimes it would slip on me.  Everyone does their best the lactating mother and the public and there is no reason to make it a big deal but respect  is a two way street. 



I don't believe in creating laws or enforcable rules on how women should nurse but that does not mean that society does not have a set of standards. 

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