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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 9:56AM #1
Tpaine
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An American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) member is defying Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules limiting the sale of rat poisons that pose dangers to children and the ecosystem. ALEC representatives say that kids eating rat poison is an "acceptable risk" that does not justify government intervention in the market.

For decades, tens of thousands of young children have become ill after touching or ingesting rat poison applied "loose," in pellet form. And a variety of wild animals, from bald eagles to bobcats to owls, have been found dead with lethal levels of a super-toxic rodenticide in their systems. Link
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 11:27AM #2
TemplarS
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We've got too damned much regulation. 


Messrs. Perry, Paul, Gingrich, Cain et al say so.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 11:46AM #3
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Most people don't know that ALEC exists. It's funny that they claim to be "nonpartisan." Which is, as normal for groups like this, the exact opposite of reality. They are the main right wing extremist group that is writing all these anti labor laws the states are trying to pass and many other kinds of regressive laws.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 12:25PM #4
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1. I agree with the regulations and think fighting against them is stupid and wrong.


2. I also agree with this statement, "And parents play an important role by weighing the potential risks and benefits of using a product." It's up to parents to make sure their kids can't get to stuff like this. If you lay it down in your basement or garage, then damnit keep your kids out of those areas. If you have it in cabinets or shelves, then damnit keep them in places where young children can't get to them. If a parent can't be that responsible, then they shouldn't buy the stuff.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 12:30PM #5
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Dec 7, 2011 -- 9:56AM, Tpaine wrote:

An American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) member is defying Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules limiting the sale of rat poisons that pose dangers to children and the ecosystem. ALEC representatives say that kids eating rat poison is an "acceptable risk" that does not justify government intervention in the market.

For decades, tens of thousands of young children have become ill after touching or ingesting rat poison applied "loose," in pellet form. And a variety of wild animals, from bald eagles to bobcats to owls, have been found dead with lethal levels of a super-toxic rodenticide in their systems. Link



Obviously someone is making money at the expense of children and wildlife. And in this conservative right wing country that appears to be acceptable.


Money before ethics, Money before children, Money before humanity or the planet.


If this poison could be proven to abort a foetus, you might have a argument against it, but if it came before profit I doubt that too.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 12:56PM #6
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Dec 7, 2011 -- 12:25PM, Girlchristian wrote:

1. I agree with the regulations and think fighting against them is stupid and wrong.


2. I also agree with this statement, "And parents play an important role by weighing the potential risks and benefits of using a product." It's up to parents to make sure their kids can't get to stuff like this. If you lay it down in your basement or garage, then damnit keep your kids out of those areas. If you have it in cabinets or shelves, then damnit keep them in places where young children can't get to them. If a parent can't be that responsible, then they shouldn't buy the stuff.


That would work in a perfect world with perfect children. Such believing in our world only gets children killed.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 1:06PM #7
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Dec 7, 2011 -- 12:56PM, mountain_man wrote:


Dec 7, 2011 -- 12:25PM, Girlchristian wrote:

1. I agree with the regulations and think fighting against them is stupid and wrong.


2. I also agree with this statement, "And parents play an important role by weighing the potential risks and benefits of using a product." It's up to parents to make sure their kids can't get to stuff like this. If you lay it down in your basement or garage, then damnit keep your kids out of those areas. If you have it in cabinets or shelves, then damnit keep them in places where young children can't get to them. If a parent can't be that responsible, then they shouldn't buy the stuff.


That would work in a perfect world with perfect children. Such believing in our world only gets children killed.





I managed to go my entire childhood without ever being poisoned or getting into cleaning products, but my parents kept all of that stuff in a high cabinet that was locked so we couldn't get to it. They had the key on them so we couldn't even get to that. Parents play a key role in this and it's their responsibility to make sure their kids, as curious and active as kids are, can't get to this kind of stuff no matter what.


Also, I clearly said that I agree with the regulations because I recognize that some parents simply won't take the necessary precautions to protect their children. The parent that puts toxic products in a low cabinet without a lock making them easily accessible to children can't really say "It was an accident. I don't understand how they were able to get to it or ingest it."

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 1:17PM #8
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Dec 7, 2011 -- 1:06PM, Girlchristian wrote:

I managed to go my entire childhood without ever being poisoned....


That's nice, but has nothing to do with my point. Expecting children to behave like miniature adults is only going to get them killed. Not every child is like you were.


Also, I clearly said that I agree with the regulations because I recognize that some parents ......


Sometimes a parent can do everything possible, and the kid will still get into some kind of trouble.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 1:20PM #9
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A lot of adults are taking are taking at least one kind of rat poison by prescription.

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 1:36PM #10
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Dec 7, 2011 -- 1:17PM, mountain_man wrote:


Dec 7, 2011 -- 1:06PM, Girlchristian wrote:

I managed to go my entire childhood without ever being poisoned....


That's nice, but has nothing to do with my point. Expecting children to behave like miniature adults is only going to get them killed. Not every child is like you were.


I never said I expected kids to act like miniature adults. I said I expected adult and parents to act as such. Big difference.


Also, I clearly said that I agree with the regulations because I recognize that some parents ......


Sometimes a parent can do everything possible, and the kid will still get into some kind of trouble.


The kid is superman if they can get into a locked cabinet that they need a ladder to get to and they don't have the key. More often than not, the accidents occur because the parents didn't take the proper precautions.





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