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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2011 - 4:36PM #21
Girlchristian
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Jun 5, 2011 -- 3:24PM, NATAS wrote:


I think that if Americans still refuse to follow the guidelines then laws should be passed to.......encourage them to do so. 


There should be laws against transfats, laws limiting the amount of salt and sugar that is put in processed foods.  


There should be laws limiting the amount of calories that fast food places and resturants can serve at meals. 


There should be laws preventing fast food places from giving out toys with meals that are unhealthy and they should be banned from operating within a mile of any school. 


There should be "sin taxes"  on donuts, sodas and cakes.


People who are obese should be required to exercise at least one hour a day. 


If people are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves then the state should step in for their own good. 





Wow, this post is insane. You want to see a revolt, have the gov't start trying to force people to exercise. Should each of us have a gov't agent that lives with us to make sure that we're taking care of ourselves according to your standards?

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2011 - 5:00PM #22
IreneAdler
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Jun 5, 2011 -- 4:36PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Jun 5, 2011 -- 3:24PM, NATAS wrote:


I think that if Americans still refuse to follow the guidelines then laws should be passed to.......encourage them to do so. 


There should be laws against transfats, laws limiting the amount of salt and sugar that is put in processed foods.  


There should be laws limiting the amount of calories that fast food places and resturants can serve at meals. 


There should be laws preventing fast food places from giving out toys with meals that are unhealthy and they should be banned from operating within a mile of any school. 


There should be "sin taxes"  on donuts, sodas and cakes.


People who are obese should be required to exercise at least one hour a day. 


If people are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves then the state should step in for their own good. 





Wow, this post is insane. You want to see a revolt, have the gov't start trying to force people to exercise. Should each of us have a gov't agent that lives with us to make sure that we're taking care of ourselves according to your standards?





I quite agree.


If we task gov't with looking after our physical health, why not have gov't see to it that all citizens are well-educated, properly socialized, spiritually developed and mentally well-balanced?  Why, we could cede gov't control  over every single aspect of our lives - all in the name of personal improvement.  Every person would be developed to their fullest potential - in all respects. Wow-wee!


I'll pass.


Irene.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2011 - 5:21PM #23
Ebon
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Jun 5, 2011 -- 3:24PM, NATAS wrote:

I think that if Americans still refuse to follow the guidelines then laws should be passed to.......encourage them to do so. 


There should be laws against transfats, laws limiting the amount of salt and sugar that is put in processed foods.  


There should be laws limiting the amount of calories that fast food places and resturants can serve at meals. 


There should be laws preventing fast food places from giving out toys with meals that are unhealthy and they should be banned from operating within a mile of any school. 


There should be "sin taxes"  on donuts, sodas and cakes.


People who are obese should be required to exercise at least one hour a day. 


If people are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves then the state should step in for their own good.



"Sin taxes" only make sense in countries that have national healthcare (we have them here on tobacco and alcohol). I do hope the rest was sarcasm. I'll usually support giving the consumer more information but not forcing them to eat better.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2011 - 6:07PM #24
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Jun 5, 2011 -- 3:24PM, NATAS wrote:

I think that if Americans still refuse to follow the guidelines then laws should be passed to.......encourage them to do so. 


There should be laws against transfats, laws limiting the amount of salt and sugar that is put in processed foods.  


There should be laws limiting the amount of calories that fast food places and resturants can serve at meals. 


There should be laws preventing fast food places from giving out toys with meals that are unhealthy and they should be banned from operating within a mile of any school. 


There should be "sin taxes"  on donuts, sodas and cakes.


People who are obese should be required to exercise at least one hour a day. 


If people are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves then the state should step in for their own good.



Jun 5, 2011 -- 5:21PM, Ebon wrote:


"Sin taxes" only make sense in countries that have national healthcare (we have them here on tobacco and alcohol). I do hope the rest was sarcasm. I'll usually support giving the consumer more information but not forcing them to eat better.





In the United States or at least in New York State we have  "sin taxes" on alcohol and tobacco.  In New York City a pack of cigarettes cost tweleve dollars.  I think that at least half of that is in taxes.  In New York City a law was recently passed making it illegal for resturants to use "transfats" in cooking food.   We don't have national healthcare we got Obama care.


It is my understanding that one of the purposes of "sin taxes" is to discourage people from "sinning".   I think that another purpose of "sin taxes" is use the money gained from the sin taxes to offset the healthcare costs incurred by those who "sin". 


I don't know how effective the "sin taxes" are in preventing people from "sinning"  but I am sure that they do help to some degree in offsetting the healthcare costs incurred by "sinners". 


It would therefore be reasonable to apply  "sin taxes" to  salt and sugar  .   The same line of reasoning would apply to junk foods like donuts and soda.  People, like me are contributing to the rise in healthcare costs by eating such foods so it makes sense that people like me should pay for our "sins". 


It is not forcing people to eat good foods it is forcing people not to eat bad foods!


Jun 5, 2011 -- 4:36PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Wow, this post is insane. You want to see a revolt, have the gov't start trying to force people to exercise. Should each of us have a gov't agent that lives with us to make sure that we're taking care of ourselves according to your standards?



They are not "my" standards.  Eating poorly and not excerising is bad for your health. 


But I am a nice guy. I am willing to comprimise and take out the requirement that people have to exercise.  

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2011 - 6:23PM #25
jane2
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Jun 5, 2011 -- 5:21PM, Ebon wrote:


Jun 5, 2011 -- 3:24PM, NATAS wrote:

I think that if Americans still refuse to follow the guidelines then laws should be passed to.......encourage them to do so. 


There should be laws against transfats, laws limiting the amount of salt and sugar that is put in processed foods.  


There should be laws limiting the amount of calories that fast food places and resturants can serve at meals. 


There should be laws preventing fast food places from giving out toys with meals that are unhealthy and they should be banned from operating within a mile of any school. 


There should be "sin taxes"  on donuts, sodas and cakes.


People who are obese should be required to exercise at least one hour a day. 


If people are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves then the state should step in for their own good.



"Sin taxes" only make sense in countries that have national healthcare (we have them here on tobacco and alcohol). I do hope the rest was sarcasm. I'll usually support giving the consumer more information but not forcing them to eat better.




We have high sin taxes on tobacco and alcohol in the US today.


Certainly we have no desire for more government interference in what we purchase. Research and publication of information is better. I like the new visuals and Mrs. Obama's work, especially with the young. We never gave our children soft drinks; as they entered their teens we let each choose one package of sweets per week : all were athletes and thin.



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