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2 years ago ::
Oct 24, 2010 - 7:14PM
#84
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Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
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2 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2010 - 3:49PM
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For sure, when I read about doctors being banned from practicing it was a shock in itself and if it is not the case in US that's great. But isn't there a binding structure which they have to follow? If I had cancer for instance and Doctor gave me herbs and not chemotherapy and I am on death bed, he wouldn't be held liable?
Liability in the US is tort law, meaning the family would have to sue and then prove that the doctor had not followed sound scientific principles AND had not provided information on alternatives to his planned therapy to allow the patient to make an informed choice. If an adult were to elect to use prayer and fasting or a dietary therapy as long as the physician had informed him or her of the alternatives the physician is blameless. I once had a patient refuse HIV meds for years until he finally died of the disease; that was his choice not mine. If, on the other hand, I advise a patient to use an unproven therapy and do NOT make him aware that this is unproven and alternatives are available and what they are, then I am liable for I have failed to provide him with the information needed to make the choice. This would also apply pretty much to licensure issues unless the therapy were totally discredited by scientific study, then the medical board of the state might well act.
"Not all who wander are lost" J.R.R.Tolkein You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
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2 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2010 - 10:01AM
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For sure, when I read about doctors being banned from practicing it was a shock in itself and if it is not the case in US that's great. But isn't there a binding structure which they have to follow? If I had cancer for instance and Doctor gave me herbs and not chemotherapy and I am on death bed, he wouldn't be held liable?
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2 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2010 - 7:46AM
#81
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"Everyone should know that most cancer research is largely a fraud and that the major cancer research organisations are derelict in their duties to the people who support them." - Linus Pauling PhD (Two-time Nobel Prize winner).
Dr. Linus Pauling was a brilliant chemist and his first Nobel Prize, awarded for his determination of an element of protein three dimensional structure, was well deserved as was his second, a Nobel Peace Prize, awarded for his antinuclear activism. That being said his later work concerning "orthomolecular psychiatry" and vitamin C and colds has been soundly discredited by randomized, blinded and controlled scientific studies. Like many brilliant men, Albert Einstein included they are limited in their fields of expertise and when outside of them can appear great fools because of the credulity of the unsophisticated regarding the limitations of their knowledge.
"Not all who wander are lost" J.R.R.Tolkein You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
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2 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2010 - 7:36AM
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Dost, please provide my with ANY objective evidence of a doctor of medicine loosing his license in the USA for saying that chemotherapy was more harmful than helpful. I have been practicing for over thirty years and have heard the most amazing crap from my colleagues all of whom continue to practice medicine.
Your stories are very sad for doctors in Italy and Japan but please note my earlier request which I re-posted for you above, "in the USA" is a critical term. Italy and Japan have entirely different medical licensing systems and much weaker histories of protecting the rights of the individuals. Also frankly I do not live there. Just to be stubborn, Italy and Japan and all of Europe and the Far and even Near East can limit practice however they choose, I still do NOT believe that this occurs in the USA.
"Not all who wander are lost" J.R.R.Tolkein You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
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2 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2010 - 2:34AM
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"Everyone should know that most cancer research is largely a fraud and that the major cancer research organisations are derelict in their duties to the people who support them." - Linus Pauling PhD (Two-time Nobel Prize winner). Here is on Dr Simoncini and there's Dr Hamer from Germany amongst others. Dr. Tullio Simoncini is a Rome born physician. To be accurate, he is a former physician. He was an oncologist, surrounded by patients who have heard the rumors of his cancer treatments and come from all corners of the world. He was the first person in medical history to discover cancer is caused by a fungus called candida albicans.
At the same time, physicians, drug companies and academic societies that could not eradicate cancer (malignant tumors) with chemotherapy and radiation therapy, and suffered enormous cuts in profits because of the Simncini Protocol, consider the possibility of Dr. Simoncini eradicating or curing cancer (malignant tumors) as a serious threat to their profits. As a result, Simoncini had his doctor’s license revoked.
Now, in Japan, the world’s first Simoncini Cancer Center utilizing Dr. Simoncini’s “Simoncini Protocol will be opened. Furthermore, Chironcology Inc. will open an official training school for the instruction of the “Simoncini Protocol”, in order to provide aid to as many cancer refugees with nowhere else to go. miracleii-4u.com/cancer-practitioners-la...
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2 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2010 - 5:01PM
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I think everybody knows by now that an Oncologist is not allowed to discourage a patient not to have chemotherapy or radiation and treat them with 'other'.
Dates, names.. people who have been confronted with this know very well . Others will not accept it for what it is and make up other reasons why...that's life**
I stand by what I know and if you are a Doctor you know 'the rules'. I am sure you can put your finger on data much quicker than I.
Everyone knows many things unfortunately some of them are false. I know many oncologists who have discouraged patients from taking chemotherapy as it had little promise in their cases. No I don't know of any who flat recommend against chemotherapy in general or in all cases as it has helped many patients. I also know of no surgeons who feel surgery is never a good idea. Go figure.
Translation, "I don't ha\ve any evidence to back up my claim of a great conspriacy but youo coould go and look it up." Yoou must provide the proof for yoour claims that is not my job especially as I know them to be false in my own experience. Yes I know the rules, I must continually practice according to the rules of medical ethics and the standards of care but that is a VERY loose limit. Again, I know many in practice that practice radically different approaches and are tolerated by state medical boards. They may have trouble getting referraks from other MD's or hospital privileges but their licenses are quite intact. For now I will simply assume you are simply repeating the same unproves BS that I have heard before.
"Not all who wander are lost" J.R.R.Tolkein You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
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2 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2010 - 2:16AM
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I think everybody knows by now that an Oncologist is not allowed to discourage a patient not to have chemotherapy or radiation and treat them with 'other'. Dates, names.. people who have been confronted with this know very well . Others will not accept it for what it is and make up other reasons why...that's life** I stand by what I know and if you are a Doctor you know 'the rules'. I am sure you can put your finger on data much quicker than I.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2010 - 8:46AM
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Actually many DID, including one who did trace element analysis and then prescribed supplements which HE prepared. Still in practice today. I note you still have provided only allegations no names, dates or places. Doctors usually practice what they believe; we are a most unruly group of professionals and getting us to "toe the party line" ANY PARTY LINE can be quite difficult. Also removing a doctors license to practice is a difficult procedure requiring multiple hearings usually since ALL appeal and can afford attorneys.
"Not all who wander are lost" J.R.R.Tolkein You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
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2 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2010 - 3:09AM
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As you said, you heard most amazing crap and they are still practicing. Of course they are because they did not put it into practice. If they had according to their best knowledge and conscience advised their patients to follow any other path except what is approved by medial boards etc. they would not be still practicing.
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