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2 years ago  ::  Aug 06, 2010 - 2:12PM #70
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2010 - 1:54PM #69
Weepingangelofthetrees
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Jul 28, 2010 -- 1:41AM, jane2 wrote:


Jul 27, 2010 -- 11:15PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:


Jul 23, 2010 -- 9:38PM, Ebon wrote:


I'm only surprised they were honest about it.




Agreed.


We're a visually biased society that's prompted to that dis-ease, by Media that promotes the beautiful, the thin, the blemish free.
I watched one of those Hollywood news shows last year when one of their gorgeous female anchors dressed in a fat suit with a prosthetic facial mask included. They bogged her down with a lot of full shopping bags and then asked her to try and get assistance from folks walking the sidewalks of New York City,  by either asking directly or implying her need, through her obvious discomfort. No one offered to help. Some folks even ridiculed her openly.


Then later she took off the costume and dressed to the 9's as herself. The most outstanding example of how appearance affects perception was when this guy, walking in the opposite direction of herself, offered to help her carry her bags the 14 blocks back the other way from which he was initially walking!


Wow!One only wonders if he was married and his wife has cable!

 






New York, New York


Not too long ago it was voted the friendliest city in the US.




The friendliest city in the U.S?! I've not heard of that vote. But then again, and just as you rightly observed about the slant media reports can afford such a social experiment as the one I recalled, so to can public elections for favorites be skewed so as to fit an agenda driven report.  I have visited NYC in the past and I wouldn't say it's the friendliest city I've ever seen. And I was there with a native, as we people watched because he knew I was from a small town in relative comparison.


I am aware of a 2007 Travel & Leisure vote wherein of 25 city candidates NYC ranked 24, in the "Friendly" category. With Charelston being at number 1.


However, NYC is, as of 2009 via Forbes , ranked as the least affordable Metro for families.


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2010 - 1:39PM #68
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Jul 27, 2010 -- 3:08AM, Father_Oblivion wrote:


Here is some advice I have to share about the work environment:


You should observe office behaviors and interactions your first few  days on the job and see which coworkers  are well liked and strong. Once  you have that sorted out, poison these people. If you really want to  make an impression, butcher them like hogs; nothing says go getter like  cutting off a head....



Ohhhh, I like you berry muchy! 


I think it's also safe to say you're not employed in the Human Resources section of Progressive Insurance of Florida.



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2 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2010 - 1:41AM #67
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Jul 27, 2010 -- 11:15PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:


Jul 23, 2010 -- 9:38PM, Ebon wrote:


I'm only surprised they were honest about it.




Agreed.


We're a visually biased society that's prompted to that dis-ease, by Media that promotes the beautiful, the thin, the blemish free.
I watched one of those Hollywood news shows last year when one of their gorgeous female anchors dressed in a fat suit with a prosthetic facial mask included. They bogged her down with a lot of full shopping bags and then asked her to try and get assistance from folks walking the sidewalks of New York City,  by either asking directly or implying her need, through her obvious discomfort. No one offered to help. Some folks even ridiculed her openly.


Then later she took off the costume and dressed to the 9's as herself. The most outstanding example of how appearance affects perception was when this guy, walking in the opposite direction of herself, offered to help her carry her bags the 14 blocks back the other way from which he was initially walking!


Wow!One only wonders if he was married and his wife has cable! Tongue out


 






New York, New York


Not too long ago it was voted the friendliest city in the US. I have always found that to be true. There are skags and nasty people everywhere. Stop a cop there and you will get the help you need, especially if they think you're from another place. a Certin attractiveness doesn't hurt anywhere but New Yorkers can be very gracious to many people. It is good to take into account the pace with which New Yorkers move and fit in. Ask question at corner where poeple are  stoppod If you can't hail a cab, give a doorman a tip to get you one.


When in Paris with our family in the mid-seventie we had excellent help, My husbnd did speak fluent French.


Some tv show can create prety much what it wants withought showing one true asoect of a city or culture


 


 

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 28, 2010 - 1:06AM #66
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Jul 26, 2010 -- 9:01PM, appy20 wrote:


Mytmouse,


Once again, studies don't back your opinion.  Your opinion is justification for treating ugly people badly.  Afterall, if they are ugly and treated badly, surely they deserve it. That is the mantra of the shallow male.


I adore my ugliness. I fully embrace it.  It is my best trait.  It weeds out the worst men.  Believe me, my life has not been diminished one bit by the absence of a shallow male. 


I seriously would not trade ugliness for anything. There are other advantages as well.


For the record, I never said doctors were not attractive. I still stand by that I would not go to a doctor who wore high heels because obviously if she is so shallow that she doesn't respect her own anatomy for the sake of vanity, I don't feel like she is sharp enough to deal with more complex medical issues.


 





Where did I say anything about my opinon? I never did. I don't believe in treating anybody badly.


I was merely affirming the unfortunate truth that yes, studies do show that some people, maybe lots of people, judge by looks, and that spills over into their hiring practices. The only part of that which was my opinion is that, ultimately, one should not have a self-defeating attitude because of it.


You say being unattractive has helped keep "shallow" men away. Well, likewise I've found the facts that first, I'm short -- which has been proven to be unattractive to many women -- and secondly, that I have never made much money has helped weed shallow women out of my life. When the eldest of my two sons began to date a few years ago, I told him -- "One thing I can tell you about being poor, son. When a woman tells you she loves you -- you know she means it." So please, again, don't make assumptions about my opinon.


Also, finally, how did you decide you're ugly? Why do you think of yourself that way? Not all men like the standard of "beauty" that's been held up by the popular media. Not all men like skinny blonde women with big knockers. I sure don't.


Ugly, like beauty, is often in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure lots of guys think you're beautiful.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2010 - 11:15PM #65
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Jul 23, 2010 -- 9:38PM, Ebon wrote:


I'm only surprised they were honest about it.




Agreed.


We're a visually biased society that's prompted to that dis-ease, by Media that promotes the beautiful, the thin, the blemish free.
I watched one of those Hollywood news shows last year when one of their gorgeous female anchors dressed in a fat suit with a prosthetic facial mask included. They bogged her down with a lot of full shopping bags and then asked her to try and get assistance from folks walking the sidewalks of New York City,  by either asking directly or implying her need, through her obvious discomfort. No one offered to help. Some folks even ridiculed her openly.


Then later she took off the costume and dressed to the 9's as herself. The most outstanding example of how appearance affects perception was when this guy, walking in the opposite direction of herself, offered to help her carry her bags the 14 blocks back the other way from which he was initially walking!


Wow!One only wonders if he was married and his wife has cable! Tongue out


 


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2010 - 7:31PM #64
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You got me coach, I guess my prejudices  sorta slipped out there. The fact that he was a church going man just fueled my rage.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2010 - 12:55PM #63
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Jul 27, 2010 -- 11:44AM, drawout wrote:


 


 and BTW I never said all evangelicals are child beaters. I think us Lutherans are grouped in as evangelical too and I never beat my kid either, but I never had any stepchildren either so we will never know how I would have acted right? 




No, you never said "all" you said "typical." 


You are better than that.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2010 - 11:44AM #62
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Jul 27, 2010 -- 7:06AM, coachbob wrote:


Jul 26, 2010 -- 9:51PM, drawout wrote:


Thanks, BTW I am middle class and dont mind sharing what I have. Its called compassion. Most libs are like me,they believe in a social contract and are willing to help others. The right wing mantra about us wanting to take from others is a lie.





How do you define "sharing?"  Do you believe "sharing" is done through confiscatory taxes, or do you also believe in one on one sharing?  Don't believe for a second conservatives don't give; we just don't believe the government has a role in accomplishing this or that they are at all competent in doing it.


By the way, I am an evangelical, conservative, Christian father, and I have never bashed anybody's teeth.  And from my experience with other conservative CHristian fathers,  that is what's typical.


 




Right now I am able to send money to charities. Thats one form of sharing,another is sharing in a risk pool like unemployment,Health,car and homeowner insurance. And like Most liberals I think national pool like medicaid and medicare are essential for those who fall through the cracks. A nationalized dental,medical pool like the civilized world has would be best.


 and BTW I never said all evangelicals are child beaters. I think us Lutherans are grouped in as evangelical too and I never beat my kid either, but I never had any stepchildren either so we will never know how I would have acted right? 

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2010 - 8:47AM #61
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Jul 27, 2010 -- 12:37AM, jane2 wrote:


Jul 26, 2010 -- 11:42PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Jul 26, 2010 -- 11:35PM, Stardove wrote:


Jul 26, 2010 -- 10:22PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Jul 26, 2010 -- 9:01PM, appy20 wrote:


I still stand by that I would not go to a doctor who wore high heels because obviously if she is so shallow that she doesn't respect her own anatomy for the sake of vanity, I don't feel like she is sharp enough to deal with more complex medical issues.


 




Now, you're judging intelligence by whether or not a woman wears high heels? You're no different than the person in the OP.



You are missing the point.  A female (or male) doctor working in high heels is not treating their feet in a healthy manner.  So one might question, if they are good at what they are suppose to do which would be take care of their patients' health.




Oh, I understandyour point and just disagree, but Appy actually questioned intelligence based on wearing heels. The fact that Hilary Clinton wears high heels doesn't take from her intelligence anymore than a doctor wearing them does. If a doctor smokes or is obese, then you could question their ability to care for their patient's health, but not based on whether or not she wears heels.






GC


Gotta go with you on this one.


The Hillary Clinton analogy is apt, too. She dresses appropriately for her position and age. She is taken very seriously in the "courts" of the world.


As we both know good, well-fitting leather shoes with moderate "high" heels are not debilitating nor an indication of lack of intelligence.


(And just for fun when my middle-aged daughters each turned 16 one of their gifts was to the Clinique counter to learn how to use make-up appropriate for their age. I was working in high-end retail and did get the "discount". They've never looked like clowns. I would get a "make-over" every 12-18 mos at Lancome because while I didn't work in the fashion side of the business I did sell high-end electronics on straight commission and was expected to look the part.)


 




Thanks Jane. I have one pair of high heels that would not be considered moderate at 3 inches, but they're high quality and do wonders for my look when paired with a pencil skirt. It's good that you had someone show your girls how to wear make-up. My mom did the same thing. I spent Sunday with a friend's daughter who at 15 has NOT been taught the right way to wear makeup and needs to be. I wear minimal make-up to work (powder, blush, mascara, and neutral eyeshadow), but can go all out when I'm going out for an evening.

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